WOW YOU GENIUS DIDNT JUST SUM UP WHAT I JUST SAID

Wait a second. So if I use Romi's AddMusic now (with Carol's N-SPC patch) I won't have to port my ROM in order to use this?

Posting often while taking an important part in the discussion /= "postcounting++"

If this was a thread less people would post because it's 'uncool' to post a lot in a thread because you are 'postcounting++', even if you actually take an important part in the discussion.

Since snes9x 1.52 has the exact same sound engine as bsnes, use that to test your music. At least you'll be 90% sure of compatibility, anything else can be handled by your beta testers.

I'm realising both ends are starting to get childish here.

Yep, the compilation guide confirms it: There is no way to get it on anything other than Windows without compiling, which looks a little too difficult for your average hacker and definitely shouldn't be required.

(It says there is actually a port for Mac, but it doesn't all the features it should. Plus it doesn't say what version it's a port of.)

I am also not christain and therefor do not believe in santa. HohoHO

You say we aren't forced to use bSNES? We are if we want to upload hacks, because how else do you propose we test compatibility? Sorry if I'm being closed-minded, but I'm amazed nobody caught that little caveat. Also, from what I recall, there is no rewind feature and limited savestate implementation, and no plans to improve them, things that are the only reasons I use zSNES with all its inaccuracies.

I am also not christain and therefor do not believe in santa. HohoHO

Then updating old hacks shouldn't even be that much of a problem.

Also, bSMWCP has some slightly funky sounding music. At least in this Mac ZSNES 1.51 thingy.

They don't. Also, I am sorry for swearing at you earlier, I don't normally do that.

Dakress probably didn't mind using this, but your making him (and everyone else who wants their hack accepted) download it and use it otherwise their hack won't be accepted.

Exactly how hard is it to compile something?

Raibys, that's a clear lie. Which is especially funny since you started the topic on SNES Purism.

Just thought I should mention that there honestly really was no staff discussion about this as far as I know. I'm not going to say what I think of this rule right now, except that I really don't take too kindly to the fact that there was pretty much zero discussion amongst us ahead of time regarding the implementation of this policy.

All we need to do is convince byuu to add netplay. *whistles*

Where is byuu anyway? Someone get him here.

Yes, it is a difficult standard to meet if TRS is correct in saying that incompatibilities still remain

On a final note, where is bSMWCP anyway? I can't seem to find it around here in the usual locales.

You can't expect people to download an old emulator to play your hack.

and, what about all of these old hacks on the site? Are you going to make all of the creators of THOSE hacks go and resubmit it just because of an incompatibility issue with a new emulator that not that many people use compared to the other 2 main ones?

I also like how your going so low as to botch up my name like that.

Only a few people want their hack to work on the current emulators in a few years?

For christ's sake people, we are NOT forcing you to switch to using BSNES, your hack just has to be compatible with REAL SNES hardware. This happens to be tested by use of BSNES. YOU DO NOT NEED TO SWITCH OVER TO BSNES.

What I don't get is if someone wants to play a certain hack, a single person, why can't THEY just go download another emulator quickly? Instead of forcing EVERYONE to download a new tool.

Win: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zsnes/files/zsnes/ZSNES%20v1.20/zsneswv1.20r0.88.zip/download
DOS: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zsnes/files/zsnes/ZSNES%20v1.20/zsns1r20.zip/download
Linux: http://sourceforge.net/projects/zsnes/files/zsnes/ZSNES%20v1.20/zsneslv1.20r0.13.tar.gz/download

There's three for you. Enjoy.

This is your most asinine comment yet. Try getting the authors of 525 hacks to modify their creations and conform to the new standards. The old "inaccurate" versions of emulators are still relevant.

SMWCP, ASMT, and Mario's Keytastrophe especially. Which all had involvement from staff, and "passed" moderation with flying colors. The game-busting problems with ASMT have even been identified for months now and gone unfixed.

IPS patching to add features to a hack was totally a back-end thing. The end user still only patched one IPS to play a hack. Not to mention, xkas is much more flexible. Just playing music in a hack is for the hacker to figure out and the end user to deal with.

Save states are held by the "State Manager," an extremely shoddy device that involves disrupting gameplay to save and load states. Not like byuu cares, though.

Oh yes, because we're all so uptight about sound quality NOW. ZSNES 1.51 works well. In fact, it's compatible with most(?) of the existing Addmusic programs and hacks. If your tool is going to be the end-all, be-all of music addition, go bug test it some more before letting the admins shove it down our throats. Also, you managed to misspell "we" in that sentence.

Also: SNN said he would delete all the other versions of addmusic besides addmusicM. I'm pretty sure he supports it.

Where's that bsnes version of SMWCP, anyway?

I'm not using the new Addmusic until it gets a few upgrades, since that current list of caveats seems restrictive.

Been hearing about this on IRC for a while, and I'm happy it's finally seeing the light of day. Other people have brought up most of the inquiries I would have had about it too, so that's nice.

Once we see an "official" release, I'll give this a try and wipe out all of the old addmusics (thus only having yours and addmusicM). We'll have to do a run through the music section and fix up some older tracks that may cause some damage as well.

I'm glad someone finally did this, at least.

This new addmusic will lead to some new changes with Hack and music submissions

Uuh, when this new rule already is publically announced and whatnot, I *would* believe it has been officially decided?

[T]he music in your hack doesn't have to be compatible with HFD's addmusic.

It has to be compatible with Addmusic 4.05 OR AddmusicM.

But oh well, if it's already decided by the staff...

I don't see a problem with requiring hacks to be more compatible, but I think it should wait for a reasonably stable addmusic to have existed for a few months (as opposed to requiring people to use a tool (possibly as a last-minute change if they're about to release a hack) that I'm avoiding using in case new problems are discovered).

Why does everyone suddenly want to appeal to the minority of people that use BSNES/play their hacks on a SNES? I get what you're trying to do, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

As in, not modifying existing hacks without permission, but actively encouraging hack creators (if they're still active) to convert their existing hacks

xkas was made mandatory over IPS patches. Everyone's happy about that now.

And to anyone who says hacks are made for a real SNES: Maybe yours are, but most of them are not.

No, those are for music submissions.

HFD, wanna know something?

I hate you.

Why on earth, should we absolutely HAVE to make our hacks playable on a certain emulator or the snes? Why can't we just put a lable on it saying snes9x or zsnes only?

Why on earth, should we absolutely HAVE to make our hacks playable on the very system it was made for? Why can't we just put a lable on it saying only this system that will no longer be readily available in 3 years?

Also, why are we calling it "Addmusic 4"? Romi's was already Addmusic 4.04, so HuFlungDu's should be Addmusic 5.0 or something.

Your hack must work with BSNES v0.70 or higher

Does this mean that ASM has been partially depreciated due to the fact that some ASM can't run on Bsnes?

No it's not.

1. There are things other than music that break in bsnes. Besides, hacks being broken on one emulator and working perfectly fine on another has been allowed for as long as I can remember as long as the person who submitted it clearly says so.

2. The new Addmusic is a beta.