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QuoteTo say I am not willing is wrong. You try living in my shoes before stating I am not willing. I am just concerned with the direction our community is going in.
Stop making this more personal and emotional than it needs to be. Clear your head, and then let's negotiate.
About the friendship bias concern, we don't instantly approve of someone's lower quality content over someone else's higher quality content just because they're our friends. That is not how this site works and I will not allow that to be how the hacks section is run. I know who is friends with who in the hack moderator world. We judge the content by the content, not by the author. The only exception made in this site's
history, where a hack had been intentionally removed by a legitimate staff member because of the author (and not by request,) was Notte Luminosa, which was a high-profile incident and some felt damage control was necessary to protect the image of the site. Other than that, SMW Central will continue to approach content submitted by their original authors without bias.
The hack discussions rarely ever close but the decision is generally made quickly because reviews come in quickly for short hacks and it's not a high amount of people because
not a lot of users are interested. There's nothing stopping you from reviewing and earning points and proving yourself as a critic after a hack has been accepted. In fact, I WANT to see more reviewers, and I want to add even more incentives for people to review because the badges just aren't giving people enough motivation. Demonstrate your will, if you surely do have it.
Furthermore, the hacks submitted for C3 will all be going up for review this week, and those hacks have been sitting there for a while so if you want to, then there is/was your chance to take an active part in choosing their destiny.
Oh, and one more thing, Superderek:
Quotee: also, we haven't even finalized how featuring hacks will work
Originally posted by MVSThe entire point of a forum is that it's user driven. So why restrict the ability for users to drive the content in a certain direction?
You may drive the direction of the board any way you choose by creating threads and posts, and high volumes of threads of a specific genre may warrant the spawning of a new forum to house that collection of topics. The forum is not the entire website, just an area for communication as one section of the site. The hack archive is not a forum, thus you are creating a strawman argument.
Originally posted by TorchkasHack moderators don't have to know what they're talking about anymore to "moderate" a hack since the userbase has most of the input. Because of this I'm not sure whether moderators should actually choose whether a hack will be featured or not.
If you can point out any tangible instance of a hack moderator under the current system who blatantly is giving false advice or uneducated opinions (meaning not things you disagree with, but things that cannot be drawn from the hack) then I'll be happy to deal with them. If available, I'll play the hack to verify the claims (if not, you may need to provide the patch. I require all moderators to rehost any patch for a hack they review so that they don't end up lost.)
QuotePerhaps a solution would be to have a hack moderator choose whether a hack should be featured, and have the community decide whether that hack moderator is right or not. This would probably need some kind of balancing too, but I think this would be a good way to do it.
Thank you for actually contributing a solid idea rather than one long moan. This will be considered. Another idea on the table is giving people with a minimum score (yet to be determined) the right to nominate a hack for featured status, and a moderator would check it out and either approve or veto it. It's kind of the reverse order of what you suggested, but if we could all focus on ideas from here on out rather than whine about how women pee sitting down, this would be perfect for getting things done.
Originally posted by KoopsterSomething as simple as a nomination thread and then moving hacks nominated by x people to a "public reviewing/oppinions" system sounds really good to me. I mean, this system would be ran by humans and not by a machine, so it should be entirely flexible. The hack moderators do have the brains to recognise that a user with 5-ish posts nominating a hack out of nowhere is highly possibly biased, and a user who doesn't often play hacks also nominating a hack and sounding like they didn't get past world 1 could be biased, too.
It may not be the road we take but I'll pitch it to the staff forum. If this idea is pursued, we'd be adding a Featured Hacks Nomination subforum to the Hack Moderations and Reviews. The thread for nomination would be stickied as an Important, and the rest would work like the parent forum.
Originally posted by niamekSpeaking of feature hacks, I strongly don't support that SMWC host any Demo in the "SMW hacks" section.
We have an approximately 1:1 ratio of demo-to-full hacks. I feel this is far too many demos. I have declared, and this is the one thing set in stone that I will not budge on, that while we will continue to approve demos, we will not award any demos with featured status nor accept any nominations for demos to be featured, but we will also not set a limit on how long or short your hack is required to be so long as it is a finished product. This is because historically, featured status was really sought-after, and people worked hard for it until they got it. The result is a lot of unfinished product with a lot of dissatisfied gamers or enthusiastic followers who eagerly anticipate that which will never be.
As a compromise to taking away demos' eligibility for featured hack status, I propose a WIP of the Month program where someone's lucky hack-in-progress gets a front-page spotlight, which will hopefully channel a lot of traffic and constructive criticism to their thread, and I'll let people flood my PM box with all the amazing hacks they see in development. If you guys like this, I'll make it happen. I'll make it happen as soon as August.
Whatever we can do to restore commitment people have to their hacks and seeing them to the end, I'm open to hearing.
Just look above you...
If it's something that can be stopped, then just try to stop it!