You really can't argue against or for the use of slurs unless you're a person affected by them.
The reason Kieran's thread crashed and burned the way it did is because he (if memory serves) more or less gave everyone free reign to use words like slurs and whatnot under the guise of free speech, which is like, no???? Freedom does not abide attacking the freedom of others, which is what non-reclaimed slurs do, no matter which way you slice it.
Back to the discussion at hand, there's a massive difference between saying "faggot" to mean a bundle of sticks and "trap" to mean a sort of trick, to well...
Stuff like the N word are a complete no-no.
Black people can say the n word, gay people can say faggot, lesbians can say d*ke to refer to people of their group in a friendly matter, because they're -reclaiming- it. They can reappropriate a word to "take away its power", so to speak.
Some minorities would rather not use slurs at all, feeling attacked by them.
People not affected by the slurs have no place reclaiming the slurs because they were never used to oppress them.
Like I can say faggot, fag, all I want. My trans women friends and most of my male queer friends would rather not use it or be called that, I comply. A straight, cis ("not trans" basically) person for instance, cannot as such a word was never used against them to beat them down.
A white person cannot say n***a, as that word was never used as a way to undermine them.
As for joking about white people, white people have long been the majority, first class citizens for decades now. A little joke about how they don't put spices in food isn't going to cause the slavery of white men.
I'm white. I think that shit's a funny little goof, no one ever means it in a rude way either outside of like punching up.
Satire =/= Oppression. This also applies to making what amounts to little more than jokes upkeeping racial, sexual and gender stereotypes.
"There are two kinds of humor. One kind that makes us chuckle about our foibles and our shared humanity -- like what Garrison Keillor does. The other kind holds people up to public contempt and ridicule -- that's what I do. Satire is traditionally the weapon of the powerless against the powerful. I only aim at the powerful. When satire is aimed at the powerless, it is not only cruel -- it's vulgar." - Molly Ivins, People magazine, 1991
Furthermore, saying stuff like "Words don't really matter in my country" is kind of... Disrespecting the amount of people who feel personally attacked by such words, and also a complete lie.
yes i realize how embarrassing it is to quote neogaf 2 neogaf harder but this is a good rebuttal i feel
Racism exists everywhere, just because you're not affected by it, doesn't mean others are.
Stuff like "weón" was also never really used to oppress minorities, its really just a general term like "dumbass" or "dude".
Slurs are on a complete other level compared to, say, "stupid asshat".
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Also hi its me lion, kinda moved on from romhacking to drawing over the past few weeks because of loss of interest and disillusion with the community and also i really want to draw boyfriends???
Ban me if you want, you probably will and I dont blame you, I shouldn't rereg, I just wanted to make this post
If I attacked or subtweeted anyone, I'm sorry. I'm actually trying to not do that because that was my fucking brand back when I actually had an account (#FreeLion (jk dont)) and I want to actually sound like a sane person instead of being constantly Mad Online. Disclaimer, the "weón" tangent is not an attempt to shit on the people who discussed it.
It's a lot easier to practice than ASM ever was, but it's just as easy to get the hang of!
I wouldn't mind touching 65c816 ASM again tho for like shitty homebrew experiments or something lol
Hacking Mario just doesnt interest me anymore, I'm sorry.
My love for VIP5 is eternal however and I'll be there to be Eye O' Mine, Maks and Ryrir's moral reinforcement when dismantling and fixing that thing's ASM for the eventual translation. Someone should really put the VIP fixes and translations in the hack section already, its not like anyone from 2ch is gonna come in here and ask for them to be taken down lol
Decoy add me on Discord you fuck >(((((
Play Breath of Fire 1-3, FFX International, Arc the Lad 1&2 and Wild Arms 1 (and Star Ocean 1 if you're willing to put up with Rushed Game Design and Superfluous Mechanics)
Wishing all y'all in SMW hacking the best in the future both in and outside the site.
Huge apologies for being a massive pain in the ass in the past, I was in a really awful place of mind (not an excuse).
I hope more people manage to complete more "out there" hacks and experiment more with making their own resources to go along with things others made or stuff from other games (both to give their hacks some flair and to contribute to the site).
l8r sk8rs
~eternally following carol's twitter~
P.S. May Kaizo Light's hold over the hack section never end =)
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The reason Kieran's thread crashed and burned the way it did is because he (if memory serves) more or less gave everyone free reign to use words like slurs and whatnot under the guise of free speech, which is like, no???? Freedom does not abide attacking the freedom of others, which is what non-reclaimed slurs do, no matter which way you slice it.
Back to the discussion at hand, there's a massive difference between saying "faggot" to mean a bundle of sticks and "trap" to mean a sort of trick, to well...
Stuff like the N word are a complete no-no.
Black people can say the n word, gay people can say faggot, lesbians can say d*ke to refer to people of their group in a friendly matter, because they're -reclaiming- it. They can reappropriate a word to "take away its power", so to speak.
Some minorities would rather not use slurs at all, feeling attacked by them.
People not affected by the slurs have no place reclaiming the slurs because they were never used to oppress them.
Like I can say faggot, fag, all I want. My trans women friends and most of my male queer friends would rather not use it or be called that, I comply. A straight, cis ("not trans" basically) person for instance, cannot as such a word was never used against them to beat them down.
A white person cannot say n***a, as that word was never used as a way to undermine them.
As for joking about white people, white people have long been the majority, first class citizens for decades now. A little joke about how they don't put spices in food isn't going to cause the slavery of white men.
I'm white. I think that shit's a funny little goof, no one ever means it in a rude way either outside of like punching up.
Satire =/= Oppression. This also applies to making what amounts to little more than jokes upkeeping racial, sexual and gender stereotypes.
"There are two kinds of humor. One kind that makes us chuckle about our foibles and our shared humanity -- like what Garrison Keillor does. The other kind holds people up to public contempt and ridicule -- that's what I do. Satire is traditionally the weapon of the powerless against the powerful. I only aim at the powerful. When satire is aimed at the powerless, it is not only cruel -- it's vulgar." - Molly Ivins, People magazine, 1991
Furthermore, saying stuff like "Words don't really matter in my country" is kind of... Disrespecting the amount of people who feel personally attacked by such words, and also a complete lie.
Originally posted by Some guy from resetera
Listen buddy, I’m Italian but I also speak French and Spanish and I’ve lived all over EU. So you’d go up to fellow french POCs and calle them “négros”? Because you guys “don’t care about the meaning of words”?
Bull-fuckin-shit.
There was fucking mayhem all over the Country when JP Gourlain said “working like a nègre” on TV and that is much more tame than négro (nigger)... anti-racism protests, boycottin JPG products and shops forced to be closed... but yeah, you never noticed anything because French people just don’t care.
Originally posted by Some other guy from resetera
It's not like that.
I'm French and here, we don't care as much about the meaning of some words. It's much more of an american thing.
I understand that saying the N-word isn't something to do and I wouldn't do it.
But also, It's such a cultural thing that it's hard for me to actually understand why a certain word could mean so much to people.
I don't know if I worded that correctly or not.
I'm French and here, we don't care as much about the meaning of some words. It's much more of an american thing.
I understand that saying the N-word isn't something to do and I wouldn't do it.
But also, It's such a cultural thing that it's hard for me to actually understand why a certain word could mean so much to people.
I don't know if I worded that correctly or not.
Listen buddy, I’m Italian but I also speak French and Spanish and I’ve lived all over EU. So you’d go up to fellow french POCs and calle them “négros”? Because you guys “don’t care about the meaning of words”?
Bull-fuckin-shit.
There was fucking mayhem all over the Country when JP Gourlain said “working like a nègre” on TV and that is much more tame than négro (nigger)... anti-racism protests, boycottin JPG products and shops forced to be closed... but yeah, you never noticed anything because French people just don’t care.
yes i realize how embarrassing it is to quote neogaf 2 neogaf harder but this is a good rebuttal i feel
Racism exists everywhere, just because you're not affected by it, doesn't mean others are.
Stuff like "weón" was also never really used to oppress minorities, its really just a general term like "dumbass" or "dude".
Slurs are on a complete other level compared to, say, "stupid asshat".
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Also hi its me lion, kinda moved on from romhacking to drawing over the past few weeks because of loss of interest and disillusion with the community and also i really want to draw boyfriends???
Ban me if you want, you probably will and I dont blame you, I shouldn't rereg, I just wanted to make this post
If I attacked or subtweeted anyone, I'm sorry. I'm actually trying to not do that because that was my fucking brand back when I actually had an account (#FreeLion (jk dont)) and I want to actually sound like a sane person instead of being constantly Mad Online. Disclaimer, the "weón" tangent is not an attempt to shit on the people who discussed it.
It's a lot easier to practice than ASM ever was, but it's just as easy to get the hang of!
I wouldn't mind touching 65c816 ASM again tho for like shitty homebrew experiments or something lol
Hacking Mario just doesnt interest me anymore, I'm sorry.
My love for VIP5 is eternal however and I'll be there to be Eye O' Mine, Maks and Ryrir's moral reinforcement when dismantling and fixing that thing's ASM for the eventual translation. Someone should really put the VIP fixes and translations in the hack section already, its not like anyone from 2ch is gonna come in here and ask for them to be taken down lol
Decoy add me on Discord you fuck >(((((
Play Breath of Fire 1-3, FFX International, Arc the Lad 1&2 and Wild Arms 1 (and Star Ocean 1 if you're willing to put up with Rushed Game Design and Superfluous Mechanics)
Wishing all y'all in SMW hacking the best in the future both in and outside the site.
Huge apologies for being a massive pain in the ass in the past, I was in a really awful place of mind (not an excuse).
I hope more people manage to complete more "out there" hacks and experiment more with making their own resources to go along with things others made or stuff from other games (both to give their hacks some flair and to contribute to the site).
l8r sk8rs
~eternally following carol's twitter~
P.S. May Kaizo Light's hold over the hack section never end =)
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