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| Posted on 2011-03-19 11:49:34 AM |
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ive been thinknig, would it be better to replace bin blocks with asm blocks for the sake of custimability?? or are bin blocks better in 1 sense to asm blocks?
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| Posted on 2011-03-19 12:10:09 PM |
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.bin blocks are assembled form of .asm files. They aren't better in any way and are generally saying annoying, because those are blocks ready to be inserted without assembling. The problem is that somebody must first disassemble .bin blocks to send updated .asm. SMWC doesn't accept .bin blocks anymore, but like old IPS patches they stay until somebody will disassemble them.
But unlike .ips, .bin files at least don't have such big need for be disassembled, because the free space is still set up, and in BTSD they work without slowdown.
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| Posted on 2011-03-19 12:52:17 PM |
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Advantages of ASM:
-More customizable, both for the author and others
-Easier to see how they work
-Can use the three new offsets
-Has the offsets built in, no need to enter seven integers and paste a reloc table whenever you want to insert an ASM block
Advantages of BIN:
-Works in the old Blocktool
-21 (or 31) bytes smaller since they don't contain any jump tables (Edit: GlitchMr doesn't agree with this. Either way, 20 bytes isn't much.)
-Faster to insert since there's no need to boot up xkas
While BIN has some advantages, ASM is generally better.
If this is related to the recent removal, I do not agree with removing that. I don't deny that having both is useless, but I don't agree that the newer one should be the one to remove.
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| Last edited on 2011-03-19 01:06:12 PM by Alcaro. |
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| Posted on 2011-03-19 09:03:36 PM |
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I guess I just made a silly move there. It just didn't occur to me to remove the old BT one and accept the new one.
Oh well. :\
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| Posted on 2011-03-19 11:43:54 PM |
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Originally posted by IceguyI guess I just made a silly move there. It just didn't occur to me to remove the old BT one and accept the new one.
Oh well. :\
Personally, I would update that removal log and PM Majora specifically and ask him to resubmit the file because of an error on your part.
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| Posted on 2011-03-19 11:45:25 PM |
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its not a huge issue, just thinking that removing the old may give others more custom things to do, i mean why do we still even have the old block tool?
removing that would remove the block tool patch and theres still the block tool block pack which can is basically the entire set in blocktool, what makes blocktool still worth using? is it the offsets the bin blocks have that you can technically set to anything?
i to this day still do not know what the offsets are or how the hell you even know what to set them too.
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| Posted on 2011-03-20 03:38:59 AM |
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QuotePersonally, I would update that removal log and PM Majora specifically and ask him to resubmit the file because of an error on your part.
Yeah, that's what I did. I'll update the log if he resubmits it.
Quotei mean why do we still even have the old block tool?
To be honest, I don't see why it's there either. It's crappy, redundant, obsolete and outclassed by BTSD. The entire block pack is there in the section like you said, so I see no reason why BT should still exist. I discussed this a little with the staff before, but I might need to bring it up again.
Also, on that note, I fail to see why PalASM is in the patches section either. Some of these sections really need an overhaul. :\
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| Posted on 2011-03-20 03:48:01 AM |
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The blocktool is there for the sake of non-windows users. BTSD uses .NET, so yeah.
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| Posted on 2011-03-20 02:23:14 PM |
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tad bit offtopic but shouldnt the addmusic perl be removed like asap? because some people still tend to grab that because its there, i know carols and reg romis is gonna get removed but like shouldnt the addmusics be cleaned up by now or is something stopping it?
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| Posted on 2011-03-21 03:06:30 AM |
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They are being removed eventually. Hense why I've archived them in my file bin...
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| Posted on 2011-03-21 01:15:59 PM |
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thats not what i meant, im refering to they are seeing it in the tools section and "are still grabbing them" at first sight they will grab perls/carols, or romis and now M if they chose to.
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| Posted on 2011-03-25 01:09:20 PM |
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That's a very important point, which I think should be addressed.
If you look in the Tools section and scroll down to "Addmusic", you see four entries:
- Addmusic by Carol v1.22 (Japanese)
- Addmusic by Perl ver1.02
- Addmusic Tie Optimizer (well, disregard this one)
- AddmusicM
(Also Romi's Addmusic, which is much farther down the list due to starting with an R instead of an A.)
Anyway, think of it from the point of view of someone unfamiliar with the addmusic issues. If they're going to try out SMW custom music, which one would they download? More likely than not, the first one on the list. (And almost certainly not the one in the waiting to be moderated section.)
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| Posted on 2011-03-26 02:19:35 AM |
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Maybe a good call would be to *** Romi's Addmusic so it's at the top of the tools section with Lunar Magic. It'd probably also be wise to do this with other vital resources.
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| Posted on 2011-03-30 12:22:58 PM |
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Originally posted by Glitch.MrSMWC doesn't accept .bin blocks anymore
Is this true? I never heard anything of that, although if the rules were changed in December - when I was on hiatus -, I might have missed it.
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| Posted on 2011-03-30 12:31:15 PM |
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There's a rule saying you must include offsets when submitting .bin files, so I'm pretty sure it's allowed to submit them.
But I don't think anyone does it anymore. bin blocks are just annoying anyways, it takes a while to enter those offsets, and I'm still not sure how the hell those reloc offsets works.
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| Posted on 2011-04-18 09:30:10 PM |
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Originally posted by ErsanioThe blocktool is there for the sake of non-windows users. BTSD uses .NET, so yeah.
That's why we haven't gotten rid of that piece of crap yet? I would think anyone smart enough to use an operating system other than Windows would also be smart enough to use the custom block insertion patch, but...maybe not? We need a new Blocktool, then. In fact, doesn't Sample Tool use .NET as well? That's another one that could use an update.
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| Posted on 2011-04-19 01:53:30 AM |
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Originally posted by imameliaI would think anyone smart enough to use an operating system other than Windows would also be smart enough to use the custom block insertion patch, but...maybe not?
Considering the requirement to use namespaces, move identically-named macros and defines out of the way, and stuff like that... yeah, I don't consider that patch a valid replacement for BTSD.
Originally posted by ErsanioThe blocktool is there for the sake of non-windows users. BTSD uses .NET, so yeah.
That's irrelevant. (sudo apt-get install wine libmono-winforms2.0-cil)
A more plausible reason why BT Classic still exists is those 350 blocks... except that we have that [BT] Block Tool to BTSD Blocks Pak, so that excuse is invalid too.
...but imamelia is right when he says we need a new blocktool. BTSD is a GUI tool, and I prefer command line tools, they don't require me to click at seven various places when I want to insert a simple block. Double clicking on batch files is far easier. Besides, BTSD is pretty slow on Ubuntu, so I'm not sure if everyone considers it useful there.
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| Last edited on 2011-04-19 01:54:26 AM by Alcaro. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-17 06:52:26 PM |
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hello - i love BTSD but i can't use the .net program (for BTSD) because the message stop me from using the program(the program say that i don't have the proper privilege to use the program and my adult responsible for the PC won't let me). so is the blocks (bin) waiting to be moderated gunna be deleated becaues of the rule in the block submission guidlines in rule # 3
does that mean that smw centrial is gonna delete all the bin blocks in the moderated section? if it happen, i can't use the new blocks not included in the block pack(bin). And then my hack will be boring without these blocks. please tell smw centrial to remove the 3rd rule because jonwil's tool still exist and be useless if the section going to be "filtered"
by the way how the new blocktool working? if it was working and submitted to this site then i can use the ASM blocks without the program requirements that use "anti" privilege to disable usage
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| Posted on 2012-02-17 07:30:47 PM |
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FRIENDLY ADVICE: guy, you're bumping, this means, posting in a thread with more than one month of inactivity. Actually the best way for make these questions is create a new thread. But I see you're new here, so anyways welcome ^w^
And as the rule says, the new version of BTSD won't be compatible with .bin files. But don't worry. Maybe they'll make .asm files for replace them, or make a ZIP file with these blocks. And about this "privilege", it's NET.Framework 2.0 or higher, without it BTSD won't work, really.
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| Last edited on 2012-02-17 07:32:17 PM by Koopster. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-17 09:10:36 PM |
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to replace all bin in the moderated section files with asm files so all the bin files will be entirely asm on the moderated section.i know that jhonwil tool can't use asm file
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| Last edited on 2012-02-18 01:02:31 PM by GreenHammerBro. |
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