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| Posted on 2012-02-11 04:02:33 PM |
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Originally posted by EvilGuy0613 The Third Party role is in fact NOT a disease guy so I ask that you all drop that theory.
Never. You don't know this, you have no proof, and yet you insist this is fact.
Something reeks of fish here. I urge all innocent infected players not to target anyone during the night, and all other players not to target the infected. We don't want to risk the spread of the illness, or it being fatal (which seems likely, considering the doctor's demise)
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| Last edited on 2012-02-11 04:05:27 PM by phenolatukas. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 04:18:00 PM |
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Originally posted by MeJDC is most likely innocent, the only reason why he got sick was because I was sick and I checked his room for something.
*Sneezes* I said I was the one who got him sick (Mostlikely). I started off sick, I didn't get infected. I could be wrong (Though I doubt it) that the third party role is a disease guy but being that I checked JDC's room and he suddenly became sick I don't think I'm wrong. That's my theory.
I have no explantion on how Giga and Thundahack started to get sick however. That's why I don't 100 percent believe you (Thundahack.)
Edited: Not only that, I doubt that the sickness can spread to 3 people that fast..or that the disease guy you think exist (Which he has about a 1 percent chance of existing) can get 3 people that fast.
Edited 2: Count this as me voting Thundahack
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| Last edited on 2012-02-11 04:27:16 PM by EvilGuy0613. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 04:21:02 PM |
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Originally posted by [17:18:56 @ Evilguy019 : I'm pretty sure the sickness wouldn't spread to 3 peopel that fast
[17:18:57] @ ShadowFire : with either you or JDC
[17:19:05] @ ShadowFire : also 4
[17:19:09] @ ShadowFire : Giga has a bit of flu
[17:19:12] @ JDC : Why?
[17:19:12] @ ShadowFire : apparently
[17:19:27] @ JDC : Because the restriction states you must "sneeze2 at least once a post
[17:19:30] @ JDC : he coughed
[17:19:47] @ JDC : If you are lying: you wouldn't know the restriction [17:19:54] @ ShadowFire : oh
[17:19:56] @ ShadowFire : ohohohoho
[17:20:00] @ ShadowFire : im posting]
Thundahack didn't sneeze. Giga didn't sneeze.
I think we are in the midst of liars. Voting Thundahack for now.
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| Last edited on 2012-02-11 04:22:55 PM by ShadowFire. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 04:22:58 PM |
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Originally posted by ThundahackI've got no *cough* way to prove that I'm really sick because *cough* I think PM-quoting is forbidden, so *cough* I'm just gonna say that I really am *cough* sick. Why would I lie?
I'm just gonna ask this, EvilGuy *cough*: how are you so sure *cough* that the third party role *cough* isn't a "sickness spreader"? *cough* The only thing I can gather from your post is *cough* that you can check a room.
OBJECTION
Code[22:17:43] @ JDC : wait
[22:17:49] @ JDC : I think Thundahack is mafia
[22:17:56] @ JDC : seriously
[22:18:25] @ Evilguy019 : I think Thundahack is a damn lair
[22:18:25] @ ShadowFire : hm...
[22:18:47] @ Mr Esc : .
[22:18:48] @ ShadowFire : i don't think 4 people interacted in one night
[22:18:56] @ Evilguy019 : I'm pretty sure the sickness wouldn't spread to 3 peopel that fast
[22:18:57] @ ShadowFire : with either you or JDC
[22:19:05] @ ShadowFire : also 4
[22:19:09] @ ShadowFire : Giga has a bit of flu
[22:19:12] @ JDC : Why?
[22:19:12] @ ShadowFire : apparently
[22:19:27] @ JDC : Because the restriction states you must "sneeze2 at least once a post
[22:19:30] @ JDC : he coughed
[22:19:47] @ JDC : If you are lying: you wouldn't know the restriction
[22:19:54] @ ShadowFire : oh
[22:19:56] @ ShadowFire : ohohohoho
[22:20:00] @ JDC : You'd see people coughing and sneezing and tag along
[22:20:00] @ ShadowFire : im posting
[22:20:07] @ JDC : I am!
[22:20:12] @ JDC : Don't ruin it!
[22:20:18] @ JDC : MY observation!
[22:20:41] @ JDC : Thundahack is a damn liar
[22:20:54] @ JDC : *quoting Thundahacks post*
A normal person... *sneeze* wouldn't know the restriction. You are lying.
Agreed with SF. Voting Thundahack
EDIT: *Sneeze* removing *cough* unnecessary quoting
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| Last edited on 2012-02-11 04:26:43 PM by JDC. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 04:29:46 PM |
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Originally posted by phenolatukasIt wouldn't be entirely improbable for three people to target the infector. Despite MM9's calcutations, it's not as if people's night actions are entirely random and a couple of the infected are likely targets.
You healthy-looking madman! I for one would find it very odd if four people targeted the same exact person on the first night! Maybe in later rounds this would be more probable, but not in the first night! I think there is something more to this disease than we're assuming, and it would make sense for the third party to not be sick! Look at the requirements for a town or mafia win!
QuoteMafia victory - Equal or outnumber the town AND have at least one member surviving at the end of the game.
Town victory - Kill all mafia members AND have at least one member surviving at the end of the game.
Do you want to know what my hobby is going to be for this game!? Waking people up! Taking into account this deadly disease, it seems likely that the third party would be immune to this horrible sickness! Therefore, we should most likely vote for people who are not displaying signs of sickness, in an attempt to rid ourselves of this mysterious third party, whatever they are!
Aw man those last two replies have to make me think about what I just wrote! I'll look at this later!
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 04:58:14 PM |
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You forget that night where everyone targeted falconpunch, my friend. I think even as recently as the last game I hosted, three people targeted one person on the first night.
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| Last edited on 2012-02-11 04:59:13 PM by phenolatukas. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 05:49:28 PM |
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Originally posted by phenolatukasYou forget that night where everyone targeted falconpunch, my friend. I think even as recently as the last game I hosted, three people targeted one person on the first night.
Who do you suppose their target was, then?!
EDIT: Food for thought: We're making a big deal about Thundahack's lack of sneezing, but--correct me if I'm wrong--Dr. Crazz never sneezed! Perhaps some players merely have a flu, while others have the deadly Crazzitis™! However that is pretty suspicious of Giga claiming to have the flu and not even cough or sneeze in his reply!
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| Last edited on 2012-02-11 05:57:57 PM by MajorasMask9. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 06:05:17 PM |
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I am a damn liar? *cough* Well then, fuck you, good sir JDC.
I cannot quote the host's PM, but *cough* I was told I had awoken with a sore throat and that I had to cough at every one of my posts during this day round. *cough* I took note of the fact that it *cough* said "this day round", so I'm not *cough* too sure if the disease is deadly.
You are wrong to *cough* think that the only restriction is to sneeze. It's up to *cough* you if you want to believe me, I don't give a damn.
I think it's interesting to note that Giga posted in the form of a letter. Perhaps something happened to him?
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 06:33:52 PM |
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This is a lousy epidemic. Good thing I haven't caught it. I'm just so tiiiiired. *yawn*
I'd prefer not to vote Evilguy, as a defense like that is the best thing that someone could come up with early in the game.
Also goddangit I need to remember to post my posts instead of just leaving them there.
Fun Fact: I actually have an rl sore throat.
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 06:47:18 PM |
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Before anything else, I'd like to apologize for getting so worked up and using the "f-word" against you, JDC. Sorry.
That said, I think SDY1 has a point... While I still think it's kind of strange for EvilGuy to say "I'm innocent, trust me!" so much, I will change my vote to no-kill for now.
EDIT: Oh my god, silverthundr, thanks for *cough* pointing that out. I'm not sure what happens *cough* if you break a restriction, but I hope I don't get mod-killed...
... But maybe it would be best if I was? I don't think *cough* forgetting my restriction helps my case, with people calling me a liar and all...
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| Last edited on 2012-02-11 06:55:22 PM by Thundahack. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 06:51:39 PM |
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Uhm.. Wow, I missed a lot.
Wait...
Originally posted by ThundahackBefore anything else, I'd like to apologize for getting so worked up and using the "f-word" against you, JDC. Sorry.
That said, I think SDY1 has a point... While I still think it's kind of strange for EvilGuy to say "I'm innocent, trust me!" so much, I will change my vote to no-kill for now.
What happened to your sore throat, hmm?
... Honestly, I can't make heads or tails out of anything that has happened at the moment. I'll come back later when I feel like trying to make sense of it. For now, I'm not voting.
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 08:35:10 PM |
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Random question regarding the scenario of sickness...
If someone were to target a sick person, and if that person were to get the sickness because they targeted that person, would it be possible that if someone targeted the person who targeted the sick person to get sick as well? And could it be that if a Doctor targets the person who targeted a sick person, neither of them would get sick? Or if the Doctor targets a sick person, and someone else targets that same sick person, would the sick person be cured and therefore the person who targeted him would not get sick?
Basic structure if too heavy a block of text:
D = Doctor
S = Sick Person
P = Power Role
R = Other Power Role
If D targets S,
Does S get healed?
If P targets S,
Does P get sick?
If P targets S,
And R targets P,
Does R and P get sick?
Or does only P get sick?
If P targets S,
And D targets P,
Does P get sick?
Or does D and P get sick?
Or do neither get sick?
If P targets S,
And D targets S,
Does P get sick but S get healed?
Or does S get healed, but P not sick?
If P kills S,
And R targets S,
Does R and P get sick?
Or does only P or R get sick?
Or do neither get sick?
If S targets D,
And D targets D,
Does D get sick? (D is the same person).
If S targets S,
And D targets S,
Would S still be sick? (This would be very silly :/).
If S targets D,
And D targets S,
Does D get sick and S still sick?
Or does S get healed and D not sick?
Or does S get healed and D get sick?
If S targets P,
And P targets R,
Does R and P get sick?
Or does only P get sick?
And can the person who made this sickness concept explain it, or would that ruin the whole idea of it? |:
This could explain how there a four people sick. But the fact that there is "two" different sicknesses could make this whole manner more complicated.
(This would be so much easier if we knew all the roles...).
Changing vote to Thundahack.
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 09:00:22 PM |
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It's not just about Evilguy's actions, although they are odd. We need to err on the side of caution if we have no information. Sadly, the best way to do this is going to be by assuming ALL theories to be true until proven wrong. Because of this, it's far safer to kill the infected citizens at this point rather than risk spreading the infection, or randomly kill another innocent player.
The last thing we want is for the illness to spread and prove fatal. If we leave this in any way unchecked, it could easily break the game. The more people are infected, then it is most likely the faster the infection will spread.
Don't trust those who may try to convince you otherwise. They don't know how safe this is, and neither do we. Why take the risk? It's not worth it, if we are to likely all die because of it.
So, what evidence do we have?
The Mystery: The game seems to contain an unknown factor- Multiple players are "Sick", and there isn't any reason provided.
The Suspects:
"Ah, sorry, must have woke up... *cough*... with a bit of a cold this morning." -JDC
He was the first to post. At this point, I would of simply assumed this was a gimick of his role. However....
"I think I'm *Sneezes* I'm going to go with no killed for now. *Sneezes*" -EvilGuy0613
Evilguy then posted with the same restriction. I thought that, considering the unknown third party, one of them infected the other via a night action. At this point EvilGuy was acting very strangely...
Evidence:
JDC then testifies "I have received a PM stating I have a cold and must "sneeze" in every post."
This is our most imporant piece of evidence in the game. JDC stated (or at least heavily implied) that this PM was not his role PM.
What does this mean for us? It means that the infection is spreading by some means, and has spread quickly overnight.
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The demise of Dr. von Crazz.
"His skin was fairly pale, and there were dark rings around his eyes. He was coughing furiously. He coughed up some blood, and collapsed on the ground." - Sounds like the symptons of someone ill, or posioned. A lot of fatal illnesses cause you to cough up blood. While this shouldn't be taken for granted, and could easily simply be a red herring, the name means he could easly be some kind of "mad biologist" who created some kind of supervirus- And the cause of death being infection of the virus.
The doctor's demise suggests the infection is fatal, in which case it is important to prevent it from spreading.
Enigmas:
Giga has suposedly caught the flu, but only left a note. Thundahack is coughing. This could be simply differing restrictions, or diferent roles, or simply them playing around as red herrings. Differing restrictions is probally the most likley possibility.
Possibilities:
"The blue role is an Infector. He may or may not be one of the infected players." -This in my opinion is the most likely, but I don't exactly trust BBBS to do the most likely thing.
"The players were infected randomly by Dr. von Crazz, or some other cause. The infection is bad, but not related to the blue role" -This case is also likely. In this case, the blue role is a completely different party. This could mix with the theory of the blue player being immune to illness?
"Infected players die after a while" -This is a likely possibility, as it is supported by Dr. von Crazz's death. However, we shouldn't rely on evidence from BBBS as it's probally pretty unreliable.
"Infection is spread by night action" -This was a possibility at first, however with four people infected it seems less likely. If two or three of the infections are merely red herrings, however, then infection being spread by night action is possible.
"Infection is spread by contact in rooms" -This is now the most likely. We wouldn't even need to have three of the players target the same room. As soon as one player is infected, anothe player targeting them, or being targeted by them, will spread the infection. This gives a much higher chance than MM9 calculated, and infact makes spread quite dangerous.
Further Investigation
Again, refering to Dr. von Crazz's death. Take a closer look at his death sequence: "He was coughing furiously."
At the moment, only Thundahack is coughing. Possibly, he is the infected one and the other two simply do have the flu.
Actions:
There is no point in being complacent, only to find we're all dieing of the plauge. To err on the side of caution is our only choice.
We don't know if this thing is deadly, but we can be sure it is contagious, thanks to JDC's evidence.
Everyone with the/a infection: DO NOT target members who aren't infected, and take special caution about thundahack. Don't risk spreading the infection to healthy players unless, and even if, you are some kind of asshole who wishes for the demise of the town.
Everyone who is healthy: Avoid ALL contact with infected players during the night. Do NOT attempt to use any night actions on them at all. To do so will risk infection, and if another player targets you, they will be infected too, unknowing of your night action.
We could also exterminate infected players during the day. As I've said, Evilguy is acting very oddly and at this point any infected player is risky and a liability. Until we know more, we need to play as safely as possible. At the moment from the evidence we have, things don't look too good.
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 09:43:14 PM |
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I think a lot of people have failed to regard the possibility that there could be a role called: "Flu Townie" or something along those lines that states that he is simply sick with the flu/a common cold. This arouses suspicion (a form of an Outsider) and puts them at a disadvantage.
Concerning doctors and infected people, I am almost certain that the doctor will NOT heal the infection/sickness.
In other news, it's quite possible that the infection has some sort of incubation period and people do not enter the third party until a certain point.
Also, seeing as we have 4 people acting suspicious, and one person acting "healthy", it's also a possibility that anywhere from 1 to 3 people are actually infected, while 2-3 people could be coughing to cover up their mafia role or because of a separate role rule. And you can't count out the possibility that MM9 could be the third party. I really see large reason that anyone would act "positively healthy"... Either a role quirk, or a facade.
Either way, I've put my thoughts out there. For the time being, I think that:
a) We shouldn't vote the first person who "coughed" out. Because: if it is plainly a role quirk, personally I wouldn't care about posting with it. However, if I was the third party, I'd try to hide my role quirk and possibly try to blend in with other role quirks.
b) We may want to vote the last person who "coughed" out. Seeing the time difference of over a day, it's quite possible it's a mafia member thinking it's a good idea to hide themselves from actually being mafia, as we would have 3 other people to go through who have been coughing before we get to them.
c) MajorasMask9 is just plainly enigmatic. I'm quite curious to what his quirk is, but he can't be normal. I'm almost sure of it. He either has power in the game, or is the third party. In my honest opinion.
d) I don't think doctors will heal infections. That gives way too much power to them. Also the fact that mafia probably wouldn't target infectious people anyhow, due to the risk that they would be infected.
e) I know for a fact that some sort of incubation exists concerning the disease, which may or may not explain the strange ratio of people acting weird to actual third role numbers.
f) I also am almost certain that there IS still a way to cure this infectious disease. I'll post as soon as I'm certain.
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| Last edited on 2012-02-11 09:44:38 PM by KoreanWonderBoy. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-11 11:39:25 PM |
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Can we rule out the possibility that the third role is the Dreaming God who chose an action that ended up giving certain members a sickness? :/
(I also feel stupid for not doing something...)
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| Posted on 2012-02-12 02:10:54 AM |
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I have a quick question that is off the topic of the sickness thing.
Did everybody get a PM of something happening at Night? Just curious.
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| Posted on 2012-02-12 02:57:33 AM |
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Quoted) I don't think doctors will heal infections. That gives way too much power to them. Also the fact that mafia probably wouldn't target infectious people anyhow, due to the risk that they would be infected.
*Sneezes* Then what's the explanation for a doctor suddenly on each side then? *Sneezes* We're just sick with colds and stuff *Sneezes* (At least I know I am.) Not saying that doctors absolutely can help, I just don't think we should absolutely cut that out as a possibility just yet.
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| Last edited on 2012-02-12 02:58:08 AM by EvilGuy0613. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-12 03:36:32 AM |
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Originally posted by EvilGuy0613Then what's the explanation for a doctor suddenly on each side then?
That's a fair point, although there probably is a Vigilante-ish role out there. I think it's interesting that the winning conditions for both Town and Mafia include "Have at least one member surviving at the end of the game." The sickness MAY be a delayed death, and if the last remaining member on a side has it, they might not be able to win. This is just speculation, of course. Maybe the doctor, or maybe another special role, has to heal it. Maybe some of these are red herrings, and you have to heal the actual disease, which MAY randomly infect someone even if they didn't interact, making simply not interacting with them not work. Who knows.
I'm still wondering about Night PMs, by the way. Did anybody else get something like what I got? Because I don't know if it's a joke, but I was supposedly robbed. I don't know, it could be related to the Blue team over there, or maybe some weird Townie role.
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| Posted on 2012-02-12 10:59:24 PM |
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Originally posted by silverthundrI'm still wondering about Night PMs, by the way. Did anybody else get something like what I got? Because I don't know if it's a joke, but I was supposedly robbed. I don't know, it could be related to the Blue team over there, or maybe some weird Townie role.
I highly doubt the host would post you a joke PM, so the robbery likely has to do with an as of yet unknown role.
Actually, a robber would probably add another night-interaction role to the game. I wouldn't be surprised if this game's gimmick was truly a contagious infection which spreads by night interactions, with the other roles built around the idea.
So uh, who do we vote for now? This whole shenanigan with the sickness is confusing me. The collaborative effort in trying to figure out the nature of this sickness is most likely genuine for both the Mafia and the Town, so it's kind of difficult to distinguish who actually wants us dead. I might as well retract my vote for EvilGuy at this point, since apparently he has some kind of night role that doesn't involve killing Townies.
Freaking blind games, man.
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| Posted on 2012-02-13 11:47:48 AM |
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Some sickness things could even not be caused by the infector, if there is such a role. For example, Thundahack could've just caught a sore throat from whatever, unrelated to the sickness. *yawn*
Did anything get stolen silver? If you lost something important, like a medical kit or a gun, we may have a Kleptomaniac on *yawn* our hands.
And I apparently have insomnia, which I know has nothing *yawn* todowiiiithhhhhh......
*snore*
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