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| Posted on 2012-03-12 04:09:36 AM |
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Giga, before publicly announcing it in the main thread, who did you tell that you were a vigilante? You said you told more people than just me.
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| Posted on 2012-03-12 06:05:43 PM |
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KWB and Pheno.
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| Posted on 2012-03-13 04:30:20 PM |
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I'm extending the deadline for 3 more days or until there is a 1/3 majority vote for someone, as there aren't enough votes at all.
In fact I think there aren't any.
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| Posted on 2012-03-13 11:34:44 PM |
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So this means that Mafia tried to target someone, but they wouldn't die.
Can we confirm a Doctor then? :/
Also, @Giga, why did you tell phenolatukas that you were Vigilante, then kill him? |:
Or is there something I am missing here.
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 09:09:16 AM |
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I shall cast a vote for Mr. Giga, simply because his story does not seem to add up!
I could explain my actions, and reveal my role, but that may end up disatrous for the town! It might explain a key point within this game, but it may make us lose!
So i decide not to. Unless you fellows can convince me otherwise.
Cheerio!
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 11:02:35 AM |
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Voting for a no-kill.
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 12:34:08 PM |
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The reason I told Pheno that I was the vigilante is because I was in contact with him, and he told me his role first, after me hinting that I was townie.
I must vote no-kill as well.
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 01:53:57 PM |
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Originally posted by GigaThe reason I told Pheno that I was the vigilante is because I was in contact with him, and he told me his role first, after me hinting that I was townie.
I must vote no-kill as well.
If he told you his role, then why did you kill him? It sounds like you contacted pheno first, meaning you were attempting to establish trust with him. After both of you revealed your role to each other, I find it hard to believe you would just kill him right off if you were a town-sided vigilante. At least, if I were in such a position, I'd at least wait a while to see if what I was told could be confirmed or disconfirmed, and judge whether or not I should still trust them after a few rounds. You said you only have three kills, so I'd think you'd want to be as sure as you could about the kills you make instead of killing someone that claimed to be innocent when you contacted them in the first place, as to not waste a kill on someone who is innocent.
TBH I really find you suspicious, so I'm still voting for Giga this round.
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| Last edited on 2012-03-14 01:54:53 PM by MajorasMask9. |
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 02:02:32 PM |
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Switching to Giga. because WHAT THE HELL DOES A VIGILANTE DO ON A BOAT!
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 02:49:40 PM |
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Well, considering I screwed myself over today, the only thing I can ask you to do is trust that I thought Pheno was lying, have the Sheriff check me tonight, and that will confirm my innocence. I promise that I will not kill anyone else without definite proof that they are Mafia.
I mean, this is only my third game. After having been given a different power role in every game so far, you can't expect me to know the best strategies already.
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| Last edited on 2012-03-14 02:51:03 PM by Giga. |
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 04:47:18 PM |
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I realized some key context.
Bullet-proof vest, cannot die at night once.
Mafia kills with gunshots then, so Giga may very well be the Vigilante and be killing with Poison. Which brings me to the question of why that would apply to the "bullet-proof vest" as I can't die (once) at night. Unless it could be from my "over-protective nature".
Kind of a reveal of my role... but it is necessary for this context.
ShadowFire could very well be the Doctor and was able to prevent a Mafia killing.
Or the case calls for that I was targeted and lost my immunity. |:
The main thing I find problematic with Giga is that he said that he will NOT kill anyone else unless he is sure they are Mafia. Problem is, that makes you look very Mafia. Why? Because you won't be able to prove that you are Vigilante, since there will only be one kill per night round rather than the two that was lacking in the first one. And the fact that you said you will only kill if you have "definite proof that they are Mafia". Because when you killed phenolatukas, that contradicted your very ideals.
Also, by definition, my role is still a normal passenger. :/
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 06:53:52 PM |
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Alrighty, i Guess i might as well reveal my role! Besides, Mortieser nearly got it right, so why not prove him wrong?
I am the ship's Surgeon. If the person wasn't going to die that night, i have a 25% chance of killing someone! Not very valuable odds! But hey, thats what you get when you skip a year of medical school, Am i right fellas? I targeted Phenolatukas due to susipiceon of the snuff he took, but I fear the death was out of my control!
And The way i am talking? Simple.
Reaction fishing. That's all there is to say on the matter.
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| Posted on 2012-03-14 09:13:15 PM |
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Remember when everyone was reaction fishing in the mafia game that takes place on a boat.
Still think a vote for Giga is safer than a no-kill :).
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| Posted on 2012-03-15 02:15:32 AM |
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Woah this is *cough* confusing...
I guess I'll sum up my thoughts in this post.
As for Giga, I don't really *cough* know what to think. What I do know is that Mafia members *cough* traditionally kill with bullets. Yes, I know that *sneeze* that doesn't apply to all games, but I reckon it's enough to convince us he isn't *cough* really mafia, I guess. I'm not really sure TBH. There is however *cough* one role I find even more suspicious. That is morteriser.
Hmm, well I think *cough* ShadowFire is what he says he is. I don't think he's lying. However, I'm not sure I trust morteriser. I apologise for this *cough* but I think =the way he knew SF was a doctor *sneeze* or surgeon, is kind of weird.
Can you explain how you know that *cough* ShadowFire is the doctor, morteriser?
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| Last edited on 2012-03-15 02:20:32 AM by JDC. |
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| Posted on 2012-03-16 05:22:10 PM |
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Originally posted by JDCWoah this is *cough* confusing...
I guess I'll sum up my thoughts in this post.
As for Giga, I don't really *cough* know what to think. What I do know is that Mafia members *cough* traditionally kill with bullets. Yes, I know that *sneeze* that doesn't apply to all games, but I reckon it's enough to convince us he isn't *cough* really mafia, I guess. I'm not really sure TBH. There is however *cough* one role I find even more suspicious. That is morteriser.
Hmm, well I think *cough* ShadowFire is what he says he is. I don't think he's lying. However, I'm not sure I trust morteriser. I apologise for this *cough* but I think =the way he knew SF was a doctor *sneeze* or surgeon, is kind of weird.
Can you explain how you know that *cough* ShadowFire is the doctor, morteriser?
It was a guess based on evidence.
"I could explain my actions, and reveal my role, but that may end up disatrous for the town! It might explain a key point within this game, but it may make us lose!" - ShadowFire
Note what was said prior. The mention that we weren't sure there was a Doctor was clearly of concern for ShadowFire, as shown by the use of the world "explain a key point within this game".
I assumed the key point was the lack of a confirmed Doctor role, or some variation on it, which ShadowFire claimed to be.
"So i decide not to. Unless you fellows can convince me otherwise." -ShadowFire
So my assumption of him being some kind of Doctor convinced him to reveal his role. So likely scenario is that he might very well trust me as well.
Note I said specific terminology exclusive to my role. Being "normal passenger" and "bullet-proof vest". I also promoted the innocence of people like Medic as they stated "normal passengers" as well.
In fact, the likely scenario of what happened last night was the Surgeon, Mafia, and Vigilante all targeted phenolatukas. To which the Surgeon only stopped the Mafia attack, but the Vigilante's poison I guess is able to bypass that.
Vigilante's poison might also bypass my immunity that can only work once. Remember: bullet-proof vest. Either this is a flaw in the creator's terms, or it very well means that only Mafia can't kill me in one night. And that only Mafia kills with bullets.
People who look innocent and why:
- morteriser (myself) - I've stated key context. It is almost the equivalent of posting the Role PM, except more believable in this context, as it was never stated before.
- Medic - Stated key context. Similar to my case.
- ShadowFire - Stated an obscure role.
- Giga - Claimed Vigilante. Key context: Poison.
- MajorasMask9 - Claimed Sheriff. Said Medic was innocent.
- silverthundr - Analyzing the situation based on what is stated by the host.
People who look suspicious and why:
- MajorasMask9 - Same reason as why he looks innocent. And the reason he said Medic was innocent was because I stated that he was.
- Rockythetigre - The way he acts is suspicious. Plus some of his statements are paradoxical.
- bigbadbabysitter - Avoided the idea of claiming his role entirely. Only attempted to make others look as though they are lying.
And the thing about role claiming. Doing so is very risky for Mafia. As they can be tested to see if they are telling the truth, and when proven wrong (or hinted at a contradiction) then they will definitely be voted to be killed.
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| Posted on 2012-03-16 05:59:11 PM |
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I have the oddest sensation that the Day is ending soon.
And because it'd be bad for less than half of us to ACTUALLY VOTE
RockytheTigre - 1 (mariocool)
Giga - 4 (MM9, BBBS, Shadowfire, Medic)
No-Kill - 3 (KWB, Giga, silverthundr)
Did Not Vote - 7 (cramps-man, EvilGuy0613, Forty2, JDC, KevKot, RockytheTigre, morteriser)
Oh, yeah, I'm voting No-Kill, because I don't see a point to this.
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| Posted on 2012-03-16 06:59:01 PM |
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morteriser, your "argument" for why silverthundr is likely innocent is a bit... lacking. Anyone can analyze what the host said. As a matter of fact, I'm about to do that (and at the same time show that silverthundr's analysis was lacking, at best).
Originally posted by silverthundrOriginally posted by superdragonyoshi1
As people were waking up, there was coughing heard coming from Phenolatukas's room. A few people went in there, and as they were they saw Pheno choking to death. Someone tried to save him, but it was no use. It came to attention that a poison was used to make him die, and the poison was traced back to some food in the room, primarily wasabi snuff. However, it was hard to trace the poison back to a bottle without a real forensics expert.
Phenolatukas - First-class Passenger - Double-voter, Poisoned Night 1
I may be reading too much into this, but it clearly says he was POISONED. I'm not going to take anything off of this unless we start getting many kills via POISON.
Also, someone TRIED to save him could mean someone who could not cure POISON tried to heal him? What about this 'real forensics expert' bit? Again, may be looking too deeply into this, but these notes just MIGHT be useful later.
The main issue with this is his analysis on someone trying to save Phenolatukas. People assumed this "saving clause" meant that we have a doctor-like role and that doctor-like role attempted to save Phenolatukas in the night. This is not true.
Look carefully at the order in which things were said.
Originally posted by superdragonyoshi1
As people were waking up, there was coughing heard coming from Phenolatukas's room. A few people went in there, and as they were they saw Pheno choking to death. Someone tried to save him, but it was no use.
This "someone trying to save him" part happened after people woke up and went into his room. This is merely story - a bit of narrative to make the game believable. As opposed to everyone going in there and being like, "Phenolatukas is dying; let's all just stand here and watch. Could you pass me the popcorn?" someone tried to save him. Doesn't mean it had anything to do with a medical role trying to save Phenolatukas.
Though I agree with the forensics expert part.
Also, I didn't roleclaim because I dislike roleclaiming. It's pretty pointless in a blind game anyway, because if the mafia are smart and have to roleclaim, they can claim an obscure role with limited or awkward powers that would be almost impossible to verify. A mafia member could claim to be a fisherman, for instance, which is a role that has a small percentage chance of finding an item. They could claim that they didn't find an item the previous night, and no one would be able to challenge their claim.
Additionally, one last point. Saying that Giga must be innocent because he used poison is a horrible argument. SDY1 hosted a game a while back in which he had a Poisoner on the mafia, and that poisoner killed Phenolatukas by poisoning him with snakes. Just because the "Mafia usually uses bullets" doesn't mean that "The Mafia ALWAYS uses bullets." The host of our current game has even set a precedent of having a poisoner on the mafia.
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| Posted on 2012-03-16 07:11:50 PM |
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Originally posted by bigbadbabysitter"Phenolatukas is dying; let's all just stand here and watch. Could you pass me the popcorn?" someone tried to save him.
I know, I'm flattered.
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| Posted on 2012-03-16 07:32:47 PM |
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Originally posted by bigbadbabysitter
The main issue with this is his analysis on someone trying to save Phenolatukas. People assumed this "saving clause" meant that we have a doctor-like role and that doctor-like role attempted to save Phenolatukas in the night. This is not true.
Originally posted by silverthundrOriginally posted by superdragonyoshi1
As people were waking up, there was coughing heard coming from Phenolatukas's room. A few people went in there, and as they were they saw Pheno choking to death. Someone tried to save him, but it was no use. It came to attention that a poison was used to make him die, and the poison was traced back to some food in the room, primarily wasabi snuff. However, it was hard to trace the poison back to a bottle without a real forensics expert.
Phenolatukas - First-class Passenger - Double-voter, Poisoned Night 1
I may be reading too much into this, but it clearly says he was POISONED. I'm not going to take anything off of this unless we start getting many kills via POISON.
Also, someone TRIED to save him could mean someone who could not cure POISON tried to heal him? What about this 'real forensics expert' bit? Again, may be looking too deeply into this, but these notes just MIGHT be useful later.
Don't shoot down my bit of mulling over the events of the night so soon. I'm not saying anything about anything is true or set in stone. I'm saying that this MIGHT be useful or it MIGHT be flavor text. I just don't want it to be overlooked nearing the end when this might make or break it all.
Although, really,
Originally posted by phenolatukasI advise against speculation in a blind game, only evidence. And to assume the most likely unless proven wrong.
I just think it's nice to have someone paying attention to small details that may be useful. But for now, DO NOT ASSUME MY NOTES ARE CORRECT IN ANY WAY. THEY ARE JUST NOTES.
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| Posted on 2012-03-16 11:26:41 PM |
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Augh, can you guys just come to a conclusion already? I'm trying to get some rest and I can't if you're all arguing loudly.
This is clearly going nowhere, so I'm just going to go ahead and vote no-kill. I know that's not something I usually do, but apparently Giga is the only one around that's even remotely suspicious, and I personally am not sure of his alignment because everybody seems to be roleclaiming everything. And the fact that we don't know the roles, or even have a ratio, just messes with everything.
If we move on to the night round, we can have the Sheriff check up on Giga, have the Doctor protect the Sheriff, and if there's anything else to be wary of (like a Poisoner or something) we'll find out. At the moment everybody's just voting blindly and it hurts my head just thinking about it.
Now I'm going to take a few more tablets and head off to bed. Quietly.
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