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| Posted on 2011-10-22 03:25:35 PM |
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One of the most probably looked over point of any game is the grammar. It seems that there's no thread for people who questions for their messages in Info Boxes and ones said by NPCs. So here it is: a thread dedicated to proofreading your Info Boxes and how they look like!
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The main point of this thread is to help anyone with grammatical questions. Yes, Google is our best friend, but its easier to actually have your message looked at by people, so we can pinpoint what the problem(s) is/are.
The other points of this thread is to have other people see if you messages looks right. For example, if you have any questions on spacing and centering, you can post a picture here and see if we could tweak it a bit to make it look right. Another are questions about the right place to put an Info Box or NPC; e.g "Should I put the Info Box above the ledge, or next to the vine?"
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Rules:
For Inquiries/People with Questions:
1. As much as possible, post a picture of the message. It will be easier for questions that involve font, font color, alignment, etc.
2. Receive constructive criticism the right way. No "Well I don't like how you said it and I like how it looks" and the such. Constructive criticism is supposed to help you, not to humiliate you.
3. For people who have English only as a second language, please understand that we are here to help you. Don't go away - we don't bite! (I hope)
4. Please refrain from posting 100 trillion grammar questions. Learn from other grammatical mistakes asked by others and apply it in other messages with the same mistake.
For Proofreaders/Editors:
1. No Grammar Nazis. These are people who blatantly say "You're stupid for getting this or that wrong" or something along the lines.
2. Do no answer to a post with "Use Google" or "Learn English". It is rude.
3. Be nice when answering.
4. Please do not bite the people who has a different language from you.
5. If you do not know the answer, then don't post "I don't know the answer". Common sense will tell you the right time to say this.
For Grammarphobes:
1. Refrain from going grammar crazy. Ignore your pet peeves.
2. Refrain from going grammar Nazi. Ignore your pet peeves.
Misc. Rules:
1. This thread will NOT BE A DEBATE THREAD FOR GRAMMAR RULES. I know that there are different types of rules for different types of English for American, Australian, British, Universal etc. English. If a conflict occurs, all of the rules implied will be considered as "all/either are correct".
2. If unsure about a rule, please use a RELIABLE source about that rule. No one wants to believe in a rule taken from Answers or Ask that says "Consonants are the letters /a/, /e/, /i/, /o/, and /u/ and sometimes /y/."
3. Questions asking about the right place to put an Info Box or NPC are acceptable.
4. Questions asking about the look of the message are acceptable.
5. If a question is being asked over and over by different people, the mass can vote to put the grammar rule for that mistakes here in the first post.
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NOTE: ALL GRAMMAR RULES HAVE SOME SORT OF EXCEPTIONS TO THEM! SO DON'T AUTOMATICALLY DECIDE THAT EVERYTHING HERE APPLIES TO YOUR QUESTIONS!
~The Basics of Grammar~
Sentence Rules:
1. All sentences must start with a capital letter. (A, B, C, D, etc)
2. All sentences must have a punctuation at the end. (., !, ?, etc)
3. All sentences must have a verb in them. (See Verb)
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Noun: A name, place, animal, thing, event, emotion, group, idea.
Ex: Princess Peach, Mario, Luigi, Goomba, Bowser's Castle, Soda Lake, happiness, Independence Day, cake, cookies
~Number of Nouns~
- Singular Nouns: Nouns that are single, or just one.
Ex: Princess Peach, apple, kart, Yoshi.
- Plural Nouns: Nouns that end with s or es that indicate "many" of the noun.
Ex: Princesses, apples, karts, Yoshis.
NOTE: Although, some nouns are spelled differently when plural.
Ex: bacterium = bacteria, mother-in-law = mothers-in-law, sergeant-at-arms = sergeants-at-arms.
~Kinds of Nouns~
- Proper Nouns: Nouns that indicate a specific name are proper nouns. Simpy put, they are words that starts with a capital letter (DON"T CONFUSE WITH THE FIRST WORD OF EACH SENTENCE!)
Ex: Princess Peach, Soda Lake, Shy Guy, Red Robin's, McDonald's, Nintendo, Rose.
NOTE: Some proper nouns can also be a common noun (see below).
Ex: shy guy/shy guys, rose/roses, yoshi/yoshis
- Common Nouns: Nouns that do not indicate a name. Simply put, words that don't specify something. They always start with a small letter!
Ex: princess, enemy, plumber, mushroom, stars, kings.
~More on Kinds of Nouns~
- Concrete Nouns: Nouns that are can be physically touched or seen, or both. Concrete nouns can be either proper or common.
Ex: Super Nintendo, video game, The Sims, apples, peach, Mario.
- Abstract Nouns: Nouns that cannot be seen or touched, or both. Abstract noun can be either proper or common.
Ex: happiness, Christianity, Islam, love, illness, satisfaction.
- Collective Noun: Nouns that names a group of nouns.
Ex: tribe, flock, batch, cluster, pride (of lions), murder (of crows), litter.
~Gender of Nouns~
- Masculine: Male/Man
Ex: brother, son, Mario, Luigi, Toad, boy, groom.
- Feminine: Female/Woman
Ex: sister, daughter, Princess Peach, Princess Daisy, Toadette, girl, bride.
- Neuter: Without sex/gender.
Ex: mushroom, Empire States Building, Space Needle (GO SEATTLE), basketball, ? Blocks, Yellow Switch Palace.
- Indefinite: Undefined/unspecified sex/gender; male or female.
Ex: lawyer, doctor, royalty, ducklings, siblings.
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Pronoun: A word used to replace a noun.
Ex: he, she, them, they, it.
~Number of Pronouns~
- Singular Pronouns: Pronouns that are single, or just one.
Ex: I, he, she, it, you.
- Plural Pronouns: Pronouns that are many.
Ex: We, they, them, you.
NOTE: "You" is both singular and plural!
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Verb: A verb is a word that shows action. Ex: pressing, go, jumping, pounding, kiss, fluttered.
- Singular Verbs: Verbs that indicate one action done by one noun. Ex: Mario always saves Princess Peach from danger.
- Plural Verbs: Verbs that indicate many actions done by two or more noun. Ex: Mario and Luigi always save Princess Peach from dangers.
~Common Grammar Mistakes~
- "A" is used before a noun that starts with a consonant sound.
Right: A Yoshi (yo-shee) can walk on Munchers.
Wrong: It is a honor (o-nor) to have your hand, Princess Peach.
- "An" is used before a noun that starts with a vowel sound.
Right: You are an honest (o-nest) man, man with the mustache.
Wrong: You are an liar (lai-ar), man with the mustache.
~Common Misspelled/Confused Words~
Legend:
(n) - poun
(pro) - pronoun
(pos-pro) - possessive pronoun
(v) - verb
(adj) - adjective
(adv) - adverb
(prep) - preposition
(int) - interjection
(con) - conjunction
(cont) - contraction
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definitely (adv): In a definite matter.
defiantly (adj): in a defiant/rebellious nature.
here (adv): in this place
hear (v): to perceive by ear
its (pos-pro): possessive form of it.
it's (contraction): it is.
then (adv): at that time.
than (con): in comparison to.
there (adv): in or at that place
their (pos-pro): possessive form of them
they're (cont): they are
to (prep): in direction in/from.
too (adv): excessive
: in addition; also
two (n): a cardinal number (-1, -2, -3, O, 1, 2, 3...)
your (pos-pro): possessive form of you.
you're (cont): you are
specifically (adj): of a special or particular kind
specially (adj): of a special or unique kind
bite (v): normal tense of bite
biting (v): present tense of bite
bit (v): past tense of bite
will/shall bite (v): future tense of bite
put (v): normal tense of put
putting (v): present tense of put
put (v): past tense of put
will/shall (v): future tense of put
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Now, welcome to the Grammar Thread! Ask grammar questions! We don't bite!
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| Last edited on 2012-01-15 08:37:05 PM by Punk Sarcophagus. |
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| Posted on 2011-10-22 04:08:32 PM |
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Actually a clever idea, imo
I will be sure to check on this thread every once in a while.
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| Posted on 2011-10-23 12:17:27 AM |
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Originally posted by ShadowFireActually a clever idea, imo
I will be sure to check on this thread every once in a while.
Oh thank god. Most of my thread like these in other forums have been attacked like it was the most hated man in the world.
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| Posted on 2011-10-23 02:38:15 AM |
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Nice idea. This thread would be pretty helpful for people who don't know English very well. I hope there won't be hacks with horrible grammar like in some removal hacks.
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| Posted on 2011-10-23 02:26:54 PM |
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This is a really great idea. I'm surprised no one has considered making something like this before.
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| Posted on 2011-10-23 03:59:35 PM |
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I added a few more rules and other things to the first post!
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| Posted on 2011-10-23 04:40:09 PM |
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Originally posted by Giant_Shyguy2. All sentences must a punctuation at the end.
3. All sentences must have a verb in it.
The irony is amazing.
Also, I think you mean "punctuation" or "a punctuation mark", not "a punctuation", and "All sentences must have verbs in them". And you listed "happy" as a noun; don't you mean "happiness"? "Noun" is also typoed as "poun", and you mixed up the verbs in your example sentences.
..What? You never said anything about not nitpicking the grammar of the original post....
Anyway, you also might want to consider including a section about adjectives, explaining the difference between subject and object pronouns, and having some examples of the different forms of verbs (I noticed that all the ones in your example list were present participles). This is a big one, in fact; a lot of non-native English speakers have trouble with the various verb forms in English, mainly because many of them are periphrastic and/or correspond to forms not common in other languages (e.g. the progressive forms). Also, the "commonly confused words" section should definitely include "your/you're", "its/it's", and "to/too/two".
Anyway, all that aside, I think this is a pretty good idea. My main worry is that newbie foreign hackers might not think to look for this thread, though. Perhaps it could be linked in the FAQ or the international hacking subforum.
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| Posted on 2011-10-23 04:49:43 PM |
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Originally posted by imameliaOriginally posted by Giant_Shyguy2. All sentences must a punctuation at the end.
3. All sentences must have a verb in it.
The irony is amazing.
Also, I think you mean "punctuation" or "a punctuation mark", not "a punctuation", and "All sentences must have verbs in them". And you listed "happy" as a noun; don't you mean "happiness"? "Noun" is also typoed as "poun", and you mixed up the verbs in your example sentences.
..What? You never said anything about not nitpicking the grammar of the original post....
Anyway, you also might want to consider including a section about adjectives, explaining the difference between subject and object pronouns, and having some examples of the different forms of verbs (I noticed that all the ones in your example list were present participles). This is a big one, in fact; a lot of non-native English speakers have trouble with the various verb forms in English, mainly because many of them are periphrastic and/or correspond to forms not common in other languages (e.g. the progressive forms). Also, the "commonly confused words" section should definitely include "your/you're", "its/it's", and "to/too/two".
Anyway, all that aside, I think this is a pretty good idea. My main worry is that newbie foreign hackers might not think to look for this thread, though. Perhaps it could be linked in the FAQ or the international hacking subforum.
Parents don't like waiting for their kids to stop what they're doing so they could eat lunch.
Okay. I'll be fixing whatever. So, you're suggesting to add sections about Action, Linking, Helping, Points of View, and Tenses? ;.;
I was torn if I should add adjectives and adverbs, since for many these two are confusing.
Also, your correction for number two is half incorrect. A sentence can stand on its own with only just one verb. But, other than that, I agree.
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| Posted on 2011-10-26 07:20:10 AM |
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Originally posted by Giant_Shyguy- Singular Verbs: Verbs that indicate one action done by one noun. Ex: Mario always save Princess Peach from danger.
- Plural Verbs: Verbs that indicate many actions done by two or more noun. Ex: Mario and Luigi always saves Princess Peach from dangers.
Excuse me, but according to all English books (mine too) it should be like this:
Originally posted by Activating Grammar Digital Edition, page 62I/You/We/They Play
He/She/It Plays
so:
Mario always saves Princess Peach from danger.
Mario and Luigi always save Princess Peach from dangers.
Anyway, this thread is a really good idea.
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| Last edited on 2011-10-26 07:21:28 AM by Lui37. |
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| Posted on 2011-10-26 11:04:16 AM |
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Originally posted by Lui37Originally posted by Giant_Shyguy- Singular Verbs: Verbs that indicate one action done by one noun. Ex: Mario always save Princess Peach from danger.
- Plural Verbs: Verbs that indicate many actions done by two or more noun. Ex: Mario and Luigi always saves Princess Peach from dangers.
Excuse me, but according to all English books (mine too) it should be like this:
Originally posted by Activating Grammar Digital Edition, page 62I/You/We/They Play
He/She/It Plays
so:
Mario always saves Princess Peach from danger.
Mario and Luigi always save Princess Peach from dangers.
Anyway, this thread is a really good idea.
Oh shoot. Sigh. How the heck could I miss that?
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| Posted on 2011-11-06 09:18:06 PM |
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Since no one had asked a question yet, maybe I should start it:
There seems to be something wrong here...I just can't put my tongue on it. What is out of place here?
I think the grammar is fairly right. But I'm not so sure...
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| Posted on 2011-11-06 11:08:45 PM |
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The sentences read kinda' awkwardly. Try changing it to something like this, if it'll fit:
"Dear tourists, beware the dreadful poisonous Yoshi coins! Don't worry, though, they're either secluded or guarded heavily! -Iggy"
If I were writing the message myself, I'd probably do something like this:
"Be on your guard for poisonous Yoshi coins as they're quite dreadful. Fortunately, they're a rare sight."
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| Posted on 2011-11-07 01:52:03 AM |
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I scrapped my original message and went with yours! =D
"Poisonous" and "fortunately" don't fit though, so I replaced it with shorter synonyms. Does it look better now? Any comments on the placement of the "- Iggy Koopa" or the message ender?
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| Posted on 2011-11-07 04:54:06 AM |
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*Thankfully
But the placement of the Iggy Koopa text looks fine to me.
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| Posted on 2011-11-07 07:17:21 AM |
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I think it's fine. You can it place one line down but it's not necesarry.
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| Posted on 2011-11-07 09:43:11 AM |
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Originally posted by MarioStarLuigi*Thankfully
But the placement of the Iggy Koopa text looks fine to me.
Oh wow. That goes to show how useful it is to have someoene else look at your messages. .-.
Fixed. Thanks!
Originally posted by Wormer21I think it's fine. You can it place one line down but it's not necesarry.
I'll keep it the way it is to have a reoccurring theme throughout World 1. Thanks for the suggestion!
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| Posted on 2011-11-28 02:17:12 AM |
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Double post. But meh.
I have a question, is it okay for the message to completely cover the player?
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| Posted on 2011-11-28 11:12:22 AM |
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I think I'd rather see the message cover the player than have Mario appear in front of it, obstructing the letters and making you have to hit it a second time to read everything.
That being said, if you have to put the message box in such a spot, you should try to ease up on obstacle and enemy placement around it to prevent any potentially unfair deaths or damage due to the visual obstruction.
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| Posted on 2011-11-30 07:51:39 PM |
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Originally posted by MineylI think I'd rather see the message cover the player than have Mario appear in front of it, obstructing the letters and making you have to hit it a second time to read everything.
That being said, if you have to put the message box in such a spot, you should try to ease up on obstacle and enemy placement around it to prevent any potentially unfair deaths or damage due to the visual obstruction.
1. I never thought of Mario being in front of the message, but with that, I do agree with you.
2. ...
*takes out Bullet Bills*
Okay. Thanks Mineyl!
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| Posted on 2012-01-14 11:43:55 AM |
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Originally posted by Lui37Originally posted by Giant_Shyguy- Singular Verbs: Verbs that indicate one action done by one noun. Ex: Mario always save Princess Peach from danger.
- Plural Verbs: Verbs that indicate many actions done by two or more noun. Ex: Mario and Luigi always saves Princess Peach from dangers.
Excuse me, but according to all English books (mine too) it should be like this:
Originally posted by Activating Grammar Digital Edition, page 62I/You/We/They Play
He/She/It Plays
so:
Mario always saves Princess Peach from danger.
Mario and Luigi always save Princess Peach from dangers.
Anyway, this thread is a really good idea.
It could also be:
Mario and Luigi always save Princess Peach from danger.
Princess Peach Toadstool certainly gets into a lot of trouble.
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