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| Posted on 2011-12-29 05:42:13 PM |
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I don't personally think it's getting enough attention. Half the threads in that forum belong as posts in the "Need help with hacking *insert game here* ? Ask away!" thread. And that rule about no more 'Is there an editor for X game?' threads, it seems users can get past that by not specificity asking in the title itself (as seen here).
I was wondering if one the moderators would like to try to clean that forum, and perhaps maybe keep an eye on it to prevent this kind of stuff from repeating itself (and not just skin read around the titles).
I do feel like this is important as threads with meaning (such as p4plus2's DKC2 disassembly and Martboo SMG2 hacks thread that was made a little while ago) seems to suffer due to the overall quality of the forum it's posted in.
The kicker: This.
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| Last edited on 2011-12-29 05:43:41 PM by Vinnyboiler. |
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| Posted on 2011-12-29 05:57:38 PM |
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I don't visit the ROM hacking forum often but when I do, I also feel it's lacking.
It's not a wasteland and could use a mod or two to keep an eye on it (in fact, you'd probably be good at that, Vinny, considering you're an SM64 hacker and are active there).
It could also benifit from a few more subforums IMO. SMRPG, YI and SMA I get, they're hackable Mario games but come on, at least document all the easily hackable Mario games.
Heck why stop at Mario games, the hacking communities have gotten far in many games. The Pokémon games, heck even a few Zelda games. I wouldn't be against throwing some subforums in for them too (especially since I'm an ex-Pokémon hacker looking to get back into it).
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| Posted on 2011-12-29 06:15:28 PM |
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I vist the ROM hacking forum more then the SMW hacking forums, and I would love to see this as well. It seems people think you need to be skilled at ASM to look at that forum, which is dumb. And yes I think some threads in there don't get enough attention p4's thread a few hacks threads (my thread D: )... So yeah I'm for this.
Edit: Also why was the name changed from "Other ROM Hacking" to "ROM Hacking"? Im curious....
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| Last edited on 2011-12-29 06:17:56 PM by wiiqwertyuiop. |
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| Posted on 2011-12-29 07:35:16 PM |
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Originally posted by marioVSshadow(in fact, you'd probably be good at that, Vinny, considering you're an SM64 hacker and are active there)
Thanks (you're probably the 3rd person to say that to me  ), I'm sure the admin's will probably check if one of the already established staff members can do the job first. But if they do need someone, I would be more than happy to answer the call of duty.
@wiiqwertyuiop It probably makes more sense dropping the "Other" from "ROM Hacking" as unlike ACMLM board's, this site keeps the other non-SMW sub-fourms inside the main fourm.
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| Last edited on 2011-12-29 07:36:27 PM by Vinnyboiler. |
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| Posted on 2011-12-29 08:21:28 PM |
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Originally posted by VinnyboilerHalf the threads in that forum belong as posts in the "Need help with hacking *insert game here* ? Ask away!" thread.
I was wondering if one the moderators would like to try to clean that forum, and perhaps maybe keep an eye on it to prevent this kind of stuff from repeating itself (and not just skin read around the titles).
I do feel like this is important as threads with meaning (such as p4plus2's DKC2 disassembly and Martboo SMG2 hacks thread that was made a little while ago) seems to suffer due to the overall quality of the forum it's posted in.
The kicker: This.
You can either make a thread to seek help for hacking X game, or you could use the sticky there. It's completely up to the user, and I see no problem in people creating separate threads for this. I mean, General SMW hacking suffers nearly same case. An "Ask any question" sticky is there yet people make separate threads for their problems.
If you think the "better" threads are being buried by trivial questions threads, that's not a concern. We have NEW for looking at new/updated threads, and the forum is inactive enough to make good use of it.
Originally posted by VinnyI don't personally think it's getting enough attention.
Depends on what kind of attention. If it's about user attention, then yes, it could use more. If it's about staff-attention, then in my opinion the forum is doing just fine.
Originally posted by VinnyAnd that rule about no more 'Is there an editor for X game?' threads, it seems users can get past that by not specificity asking in the title itself (as seen here).
I think that thread is fine. As far as I know, (nearly?) no game has a stand-alone game-specific graphics editor. The guy eventually found a tool to edit graphics, but he wondered how he could use it. As in, he asked for instructions/help.
Originally posted by wiiEdit: Also why was the name changed from "Other ROM Hacking" to "ROM Hacking"? Im curious....
I don't know who changed it and why but I think "Other" sounds very redundant there, because ROM hacking isn't specific for one game anyway.
e: I think the forum could use "Release" or "WIP" subforums though, like the Hack Discussion one. The release subforum could be to show off stuff such as ASM hacks, full ROM hacks, translations, and so on and WIP would be for the same stuff except the stuff will be WIP (of course).
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| Last edited on 2011-12-29 08:30:22 PM by Ersanio. |
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| Posted on 2011-12-29 09:13:29 PM |
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Originally posted by ErsanioYou can either make a thread to seek help for hacking X game, or you could use the sticky there. It's completely up to the user, and I see no problem in people creating separate threads for this. I mean, General SMW hacking suffers nearly same case. An "Ask any question" sticky is there yet people make separate threads for their problems.
If you think the "better" threads are being buried by trivial questions threads, that's not a concern. We have NEW for looking at new/updated threads, and the forum is inactive enough to make good use of it.
First of all I understand your opinion I can respect it, but in such a broad area such as ROM hacking in general, having the same user make to separate threads for simple questions in SMB kinda annoys me.
Originally posted by ErsanioOriginally posted by VinnyI don't personally think it's getting enough attention.
Depends on what kind of attention. If it's about user attention, then yes, it could use more. If it's about staff-attention, then in my opinion the forum is doing just fine.
Some of the broken links in the ROM Hacking Utilities are even mentioned in the thread. At least have somebody make some kind of an effort to update the "ROM Hacking Utilities" and "List of notable rom hacks." pages. If you believe it is getting significant Staff attention, it's those pages that are giving the misconception.
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| Last edited on 2011-12-29 09:14:56 PM by Vinnyboiler. |
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| Posted on 2011-12-29 09:14:01 PM |
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Originally posted by marioVSshadowIt could also benifit from a few more subforums IMO. SMRPG, YI and SMA I get, they're hackable Mario games but come on, at least document all the easily hackable Mario games.
Heck why stop at Mario games, the hacking communities have gotten far in many games. The Pokémon games, heck even a few Zelda games. I wouldn't be against throwing some subforums in for them too (especially since I'm an ex-Pokémon hacker looking to get back into it).
I think the problem with the Mario games is that there's so many that are easily hackable (SMB, SMB3, SMK, SM64, NSMB, NSMBWii) that it would clutter up the main rom hacking board if they all had their own subforum. Maybe a General Mario hacking subforum (for all Mario games except SMW and those that already have a dedicated subforum) would be better in that regard.
Also, I fully support a Pokémon Hacking forum, being a Pokémon hacker myself.
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| Posted on 2011-12-30 05:36:55 AM |
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The reason why the ROM hacking forum is not too active is because most of us don't hack any games besides SMW, and the ones who do are YI hackers most of the time.
I occasionally check the ROM hacking forum just to see if I can find something interesting, although I don't moderate it at all. I'm sure there are some staff members who check that forum more often, like Alcaro for example, he trashed this thread the other day and he also closed a similar one in the ROM hacking forum, so I assume he does pay attention to that forum.
I think the forum has enough moderation for now, but I agree some threads like the DKC2 disassembly could have more attention, but I guess that's mostly because the majority of the users here don't hack any games besides SMW (or YI) as I said before. Although if they are really important, they should probably be sticked.
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| Posted on 2011-12-30 06:15:45 AM |
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Went through that many replies and no mention that SMWC's successor Kubiro's Shoe will expand to more than just SMW, to the other Mario games
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| Posted on 2011-12-30 07:24:07 AM |
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Originally posted by VinnyboilerSome of the broken links in the ROM Hacking Utilities are even mentioned in the thread. At least have somebody make some kind of an effort to update the "ROM Hacking Utilities" and "List of notable rom hacks." pages. If you believe it is getting significant Staff attention, it's those pages that are giving the misconception.
You (or anyone dedicated, really) could go ahead and make a new thread if you're feeling like maintaining any of these two threads. It isn't mandatory for the staff to update those threads, it isn't really their main responsibility. Regular users can make and maintain such threads just fine as well. It's a matter of their own volition.
I'm not even sure if Weeabuu is interested in updating that ROM hacking utilities thread, I'm pretty sure he isn't.
I would sticky new replacements (for both of these threads) if they're better than the current stickies and the OP shows dedication. The former shouldn't be a problem by default if you're showing dedication.
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| Last edited on 2011-12-30 07:27:07 AM by Ersanio. |
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| Posted on 2012-01-06 09:17:12 PM |
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Originally posted by UltimaximusWent through that many replies and no mention that SMWC's successor Kubiro's Shoe will expand to more than just SMW, to the other Mario games
I thought about that as well as I was reading this, but I think people have sorta stopped talking about Kuribo's Shoe. It seems that with all the stuff that happens on SMWC leaves little time for work on it, and news about it has been slow.
Now, sure, I could be completely wrong. You could all be working on it behind the scenes and for all I know, it could be nearly done. But I doubt it, and I think most of the users on the site place Kuribo in the same category as Duke Nukem Forever.
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| Posted on 2012-01-07 08:57:52 AM |
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Originally posted by aj6666The reason why the ROM hacking forum is not too active is because most of us don't hack any games besides SMW, and the ones who do are YI hackers most of the time.
Actually, I'd say the number of YI hackers here is probably about the same as the number of Pokémon hackers here. The YI hacking forum has a total of about 3 people who post in it often, and perhaps 10 or so others who post often enough that I recognize them as a YI hacker when they post (though that could be once every 6 months considering I've been following the forum for over 2 years now).
Regarding stickied threads that haven't been updated, I agree about creating a new thread yourself if you're willing to put the time into it. It worked for me with the YI hacking FAQ. (And hopefully it won't take a month to get it stickied after you create it now that any staff member can do that.)
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| Posted on 2012-01-07 11:18:09 AM |
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Originally posted by UltimaximusWent through that many replies and no mention that SMWC's successor Kubiro's Shoe will expand to more than just SMW, to the other Mario games
I failed to mention Kuribo's Shoe on purpose. I don't like this idea of looking in the future, I'm more a "in the now" kind of guy. And if Kuribo's Shoe got released tomorrow, my gut instant is that it's going to fail. Firstly it's because of past mistakes with Nightfall. But more importantly, it's because this site must first raise more activity in the ROM hacking forums to warrant an expansion to the current site.
Maybe I've been thinking of this the wrong way. Perhaps instead of clearing out the current forum, it's rather the case that we need to raise more activity in the ROM Hacking forum. If that's the case then how would we go to achieve this?
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| Posted on 2012-01-09 04:11:54 PM |
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I actually post more in the ROM Hacking forum than the SMW Hacking forum nowadays, even if most of those threads are help threads. I just like hacking games other than SMW sometimes.
Originally posted by VinnyboilerMaybe I've been thinking of this the wrong way. Perhaps instead of clearing out the current forum, it's rather the case that we need to raise more activity in the ROM Hacking forum. If that's the case then how would we go to achieve this?
First of all, we would need to get rid of the common misconception that you NEED to know hex to hack other ROMs (yes, I know this has been said already). Sure, its true that hex helps, but many times there are wonderful editors either already made or in the works that are extremely powerful. Reggie for NSMBWii, Golden Egg for SMW2:YI, and LazyShell for SMRPG are the best examples I can think of, especially the first.
Then the next thing we REALLY need over in the Other ROM Hacking thread is more interest. There's just not enough WIP/Finished hacks to motivate others to do it themselves. Think of all the SMW hacks there are. Now think of all the SMRPG hacks there are. Not counting crappy palette hacks, I could probably count them all on one hand...
Oh, and one more thing, contrary to popular belief, moving to Kuribo won't make a difference. If there's no interest in hacking other games, there's not going to be more activity for those games.
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| Posted on 2012-01-10 05:04:33 PM |
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Originally posted by DarkBonesThere's just not enough WIP/Finished hacks to motivate others to do it themselves. Think of all the SMW hacks there are. Now think of all the SMRPG hacks there are. Not counting crappy palette hacks, I could probably count them all on one hand...
If you think it helps, after finishing them SM64 tutorials, I could create a progress thread for my SM64 hack (though being honest the only area left to create is the HUB and it more mostly music hacking and bug fixing at this stage)
Originally posted by DarkBonesOh, and one more thing, contrary to popular belief, moving to Kuribo won't make a difference. If there's no interest in hacking other games, there's not going to be more activity for those games.
Well that's my opinion as well, and in all honestly it's really the whole user base's job to say what's popular. The best we can do is continue what were doing now and just try to convince others to check out downstairs in the general ROM hacking forum.
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| Posted on 2012-01-10 05:26:14 PM |
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To be honest, I've more been becoming less comfortable to moving to Kuribo. It kind of seems like Kieran is going to try to slowly remove trace of this site existing... Why can't we just add on the relevent sections here?
That could just be paranoia though.
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| Last edited on 2012-01-10 05:27:10 PM by MVS. |
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| Posted on 2012-01-10 06:39:52 PM |
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Originally posted by Zeldara109Actually, I'd say the number of YI hackers here is probably about the same as the number of Pokémon hackers here. The YI hacking forum has a total of about 3 people who post in it often, and perhaps 10 or so others who post often enough that I recognize them as a YI hacker when they post (though that could be once every 6 months considering I've been following the forum for over 2 years now).
Huh? I always thought the YI hacking forum was more active than that.
About Kuribo, I'm sure the ROM hacking field for other games will expand. The reason why SMW hacking is so advanced now is because we have this site with many separate forums each one for a different aspect of SMW hacking. When Kuribo will be out, there will be more forums for other games, instead of just one forum for everything; and thus it will be easier for some people to find what they need to hack the games they want. I'm not saying the day Kuribo is out people will magically get interested in other game hacking, I'm just saying it will be easier for them.
Kuribo is still far away though, so if anyone is worried about the activity of other ROM hacking, writing tutorials might be a way to increase the activity.
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