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| Posted on 2012-02-26 04:19:52 PM |
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Thinking about it a little more, the names we have for the games so far are a little worrying. Black and White version 2 - at least according to what's in the source. That makes it sound more like a remake than a full-blown sequel, and is already making myself set up for dissapointment. My fear is that we'll get ourselves incredibly hyped up and then in a month or two we'll find that it's pretty much just like what every other third version has been, and then we'll all get depressed and start screaming at each other in a vain attempt to change reality.
Now I'd love to see an interesting story like some of you are suggesting, but that's what's worrying me. Is hoping for it a better piece of fiction than the actual story will be? Besides, I did feel like the writing in B/W left a little to be desired in the endgame (but then I write myself, so I can get incredibly whiny), so I will try to keep my hopes down...
...but I was never very good at being a pessimist.
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| Posted on 2012-02-26 04:55:23 PM |
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Originally posted by Sniggerb0bbleThinking about it a little more, the names we have for the games so far are a little worrying. Black and White version 2 - at least according to what's in the source. That makes it sound more like a remake than a full-blown sequel, and is already making myself set up for dissapointment. My fear is that we'll get ourselves incredibly hyped up and then in a month or two we'll find that it's pretty much just like what every other third version has been, and then we'll all get depressed and start screaming at each other in a vain attempt to change reality.
People are already setting themselves up for disappointment.  Some people are already assuming the games ARE sequels just because of that "2"; TVTropes flat-out says that Kyurem's new forms are it fusing with Reshiram and Zekrom to make itself "whole" again despite not hearing of that anywhere else (though I personally subscribe to that theory~), stuff like that. Fortunately, though, the names of the new games help BOTH possibilities, sequel or "third game remix".
On the one hand: US websites are calling them "Black Version 2" and "White Version 2".
On the other: Every main-series Pokemon game has been called a Version in the US from day 1, so the names could mean EITHER "Black/White" Version 2 or "Black/White Version" 2! (I don't know if Japan has the "Version" thing anymore for the games.)
Of course, at the same time, even if it's the latter, it could still end up being a simple "third game remix".
To be honest, what I'd like to see out of BW2 is them being BOTH the third game and a sequel; as in, the game's largely the same, but the story is added to so heavily that it (somehow) becomes a sequel, a continuance of the original story. Perhaps in the postgame? Or, maybe Ghetsis had the three orbs from gen 4 because he wanted to control Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina...and perhaps succeeds and rewrites history a little to ensure his victory, leading to BW2? (Doubt they'd do THAT!)
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| Posted on 2012-02-26 05:01:35 PM |
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Originally posted by Sniggerb0bbleThinking about it a little more, the names we have for the games so far are a little worrying. Black and White version 2 - at least according to what's in the source. That makes it sound more like a remake than a full-blown sequel, and is already making myself set up for dissapointment.
All Pokemon games are called Pokemon X Version, not just Pokemon X. So it meant Pokemon Black/White Version: The second game.
As for what I expect about b2/w2, just a gray version split into 2 versions. Battle frontier added and other new areas. No 3DS enhancements since it's on DS. Just the DSi enhancements the original b/w had (camera and WPA support). And maybe a big surprise that will please all long time fans (more returning characters, able to visit old regions).
Although b/w ended in a cliffhanger in terms of story; Ghetsis escaped from prison and is now hiding, IIRC. And N went to some far away place. So maybe the sequel will conclude it. I would've expected that the eventual ruby/sapphire remakes would cross the stories from b/w (Hoenn being the far away place N went to). But that's just me.
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| Posted on 2012-02-26 05:09:29 PM |
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Originally posted by Bad luck man(able to visit old regions).
Originally posted by Bad luck man(Hoenn being the far away place N went to). But that's just me.
hmm... i like the idea that i'm not going to talk about
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| Posted on 2012-02-26 06:12:56 PM |
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I personally believe that every pokemon game is better than the previous game, as in gen 5 was better than gen 4, gen 4 was better than gen 3, and gen 3 was better than gen 2.
I don't play pokemon as much as used to though, so i'll probably just throw this on my flashcart and see how it turns out. If I like it, i'll probably buy it.
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| Last edited on 2012-02-27 04:09:48 PM by Mariomon. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-27 12:58:53 PM |
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According to Serebii, the games are due in America and Europe this fall. I don't know whether to be happy about the potentially short localization period or concerned (though I suppose if the games are released outside Japan in December, that'll still be six months since the Japanese release is in June, which is more typical of Pokemon's main series localizations).
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| Posted on 2012-02-28 12:34:57 AM |
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Ah, they're reselling black and white. They can't create a totally new game in such a short amount of time unless it's simply a revamp.
I'm sure it won't stop millions of people from buying it regardless.
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| Posted on 2012-02-28 01:02:35 AM |
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Originally posted by BlumiereAh, they're reselling black and white. They can't create a totally new game in such a short amount of time unless it's simply a revamp.
I'm sure it won't stop millions of people from buying it regardless.
There's always the possibility that they've had the idea of Black 2/White 2 since the very beginning and had it in production as soon as the first one was done. Or perhaps even started production of the second ones before the first ones were done. Think the final Harry Potter movies. The second one turned out to be noticeably better than the first. Black 2 and White 2 are essentially going to be the Gen V equivalent of the third version: slightly altered storyline with additional features. The creation of a full-on sequel is probably because Black and White were considerably more plot-heavy than the previous games, and it wouldn't be right to throw the established plot out the window.
If you think about it, there was a lot of things left seemingly unfinished at the end of Black and White. After locating all of the sages in the post-game, that lawyer guy I don't remember the name of said something I don't quite recall, but I'm fairly certain it had something to do with catching up with N/Ghetsis. The storyline is clearly not at its end, and also places like Anville Town and Undella Bay seem rather empty, so assuming the new games also take place in Unova they're likely to be fleshed out a little more. There's probably a whole lot of other stuff I haven't mentioned. Additional formes of Kyurem were inevitable because it was obvious to everyone since the beginning that Kyurem was just flat-out too bad to be a proper legendary.
It's more than likely that Game Freak have also noted complaints about the first games and attempted to remedy them in the sequel. Judging from past experiences, Game Freak doesn't seem like a company that ignores the prominent issues that everyone complains about: for example, in generation I Psychic was broken, and then generation II fixed this by introducing new types. At the time of generation III, many types lacked any viable (not even necessarily competitively) Pokémon and/or moves, and they added a whole ton of good moves for many types in generation IV. Then generation IV ran ridiculously slowly and looked fairly ugly, and then generation V fixed that. Of course (the first games of) Gen V wasn't without its own problems, and they're probably being fixed now.
I don't see why you people have anything against the new games being on the standard DS and also being released within a realistic time frame; the localisation is only taking one or two months shorter than usual anyway, it's no big deal.
The only thing that would make me mad would be the release of a Grey/Gray version after this.
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| Posted on 2012-02-28 06:26:53 AM |
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They better have some kind of new Pokemon >=| Actually, I wouldn't really care lol. I guess I just gotta wait and see what they have planned until I can fully release my true feelings hahaha.
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| Posted on 2012-02-28 09:28:48 AM |
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Looks like Game Freak is taking notes from Square Enix. (Final Fantasy)
Really I couldn't care myself about the titles, I enjoy the games either way.....for like a month or two then get bored.
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| Last edited on 2012-02-28 09:29:33 AM by Mai. |
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| Posted on 2012-02-28 02:21:25 PM |
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Originally posted by camoslashThey better have some kind of new Pokemon >=| Actually, I wouldn't really care lol. I guess I just gotta wait and see what they have planned until I can fully release my true feelings hahaha.
There's a 0% chance that they will add a new Pokemon. Every single new Pokemon in a generation can be found in the first games that come out that generation.
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| Posted on 2012-02-28 02:34:37 PM |
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Originally posted by Derpy BackslideOriginally posted by camoslashThey better have some kind of new Pokemon >=| Actually, I wouldn't really care lol. I guess I just gotta wait and see what they have planned until I can fully release my true feelings hahaha.
There's a 0% chance that they will add a new Pokemon. Every single new Pokemon in a generation can be found in the first games that come out that generation.
That's true, I've completed my Pokedex twice legitimately. I think that's probably what put me off Pokemon to be honest. Sinnoh was the first down hill step although still a nice bunch of Pokemon. I saw some of the Unova ones and was literally just 'fuck this'.
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| Posted on 2012-02-28 07:15:14 PM |
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I personally like a lot of the Pokemon in Unova. The designs are pretty original (although the names had little to no though put into them (Gear/Klank, for example)). And sure, some designs are rather silly, like that ice cream one, but then again, that ice cream one (can't remember the name) is a pretty useful Pokemon, so meh.
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| Posted on 2012-02-28 07:30:18 PM |
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Originally posted by VolkeI personally like a lot of the Pokemon in Unova. The designs are pretty original (although the names had little to no though put into them (Gear/Klank, for example)). And sure, some designs are rather silly, like that ice cream one, but then again, that ice cream one (can't remember the name) is a pretty useful Pokemon, so meh.
That ice cream Pokemon is called Vanilluxe!
Also, I agree. People don't seem to realize that Unova is a region very far away from where the previous games took place, so it only makes sense that the Pokemon are wildly different and basically unrelated to the older creatures.
About Klink's name: it's not the first time the localization team has linked an evolution series in name. Remember Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam? How about Hoppip, Skiploom, and Jumpluff? Klink, Klang, and Klinklang might not have the catchiest names, but they do stay in line with this naming tradition.
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| Posted on 2012-02-29 07:29:15 AM |
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I think most people's complaints about the most recent generations are mostly due to getting older. Most complaints are due to pokémon looking "stupid" or having bad names, but because in their youth older pokémon were always there, they wouldn't have thought about them. I guess the complaints across the entire series of a whole mimic how people become a lot more judgemental about their enjoyment as they get older, instead of just kicking back, relaxing, and allowing yourself the privilege of enjoyment.
Personally I find the Unova pokémon to be some of my favourites, but I think that's mostly because they were completely segregated from all of the others, allowing them to come into their own. Of course, many of the punny names even made my own British heart cry, but it's fine, get over it; you know you would too if you were them.
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| Posted on 2012-02-29 11:06:27 AM |
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Originally posted by Mineyl
About Klink's name: it's not the first time the localization team has linked an evolution series in name. Remember Abra, Kadabra, and Alakazam? How about Hoppip, Skiploom, and Jumpluff? Klink, Klang, and Klinklang might not have the catchiest names, but they do stay in line with this naming tradition.
That isn't the complaint at all. It's that the name doesn't feel that creative to them. Klink is a gear, and IIRC, its Japanese name is essentially "Gear". How is that creative?
Also I agree about the Unova Pokemon. There are some in there I REALLY like, such as Chandelure. <3 Chandelure is very fitting of its name: goes down easily. But that power... <3
also foongus line is best pun ever cannot deny
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| Posted on 2012-02-29 12:19:43 PM |
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Originally posted by Riolu180That isn't the complaint at all. It's that the name doesn't feel that creative to them. Klink is a gear, and IIRC, its Japanese name is essentially "Gear". How is that creative?
I'm completely aware of that. I was merely explaining why it was most likely named the way it was and even admitting that it's not as good as previous ones. Japanese names have no bearing on it, either (in fact, most of the Japanese Pokemon names are terrible and should not be acknowledged).
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| Posted on 2012-02-29 01:34:05 PM |
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Originally posted by BlumiereAh, they're reselling black and white. They can't create a totally new game in such a short amount of time unless it's simply a revamp.
Quoteshort amount of time
Pokemon Black and White have been out since 2010 in Japan. 2 years is not an unreasonable amount of time to make a game in, especially when you look at other franchises like Sonic that can put out 1-2 games per year. *shrugs*
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| Posted on 2012-03-02 11:23:15 PM |
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I am interested in this despite not touching Black or White in quite a long time. It's definitely something different from what they've done with the other third games of the generations (Yellow, Crystal, Emerald, Platinum), so I'm wondering how it'll turn out.
As a side note, if that annoying Bianca is not existing in these games, then I will be very happy.
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| Posted on 2012-04-09 08:11:01 PM |
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Megabump. With a good reason. This link should explain everything.
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Post says Black2/White2 will be full blown sequels. NOT an expansion on black/white like Platinum, Emerald, etc. With a new region, new characters and new pokemon. Including starters and more.
The only problem I find with the post is its credibility. Basically "My company works with Nintendo".
If this turns out to be true, then Black2/White2 might not be as bad as I thought it would be.
Thoughts?
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