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| Posted on 2012-04-16 06:27:49 AM |
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I suggest extending this rule:
QuoteNo more "What is your favourite X" threads
Discussions about our favourite food/drink/condom flavour/you name it rarely generate much real discussion value and are usually just a spot for someone to make a one-line post and add to their postcount. You can use our perfectly good Bar & Grill (the Tipsy Faun at the time this rule was added) to have discussions of favourite things, but leave individual threads for a more...enlightened line of discourse.
to include "what do you hate" threads, such as the pet peeves one, the wipe stuff off the internet one, etc.
These topics just seem to brew drama and they serve pretty much zero point other than letting people vent about petty annoyances.
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| Last edited on 2012-04-16 06:28:16 AM by Kaijyuu. |
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| Posted on 2012-04-16 11:25:37 AM |
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Well, that depends. If you are referring to threads like "Shit that gets you mad," then I agree with you 100%. Other hate-based threads like "You can wipe one thing off the face of the earth" are more intelligent.
Honestly, I would say these need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. The rule you cited was really only put in place after a huge swath of 'lol wits your fav deodorant flavor' threads started showing up.
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| Posted on 2012-04-16 12:35:13 PM |
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Really, any sort of "list something that fits x criteria" threads are pointless. The thread is just... a list. Of stuff. That is only tangentially related.
It's not the content really; it's the format. Something more specific (such as the "nerd" topic) actually invites discussion. Everyone posting a different noun under a certain theme, however, does not.
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| Posted on 2012-04-16 01:52:10 PM |
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Adding to the "wipe x off the internet thread", a lot of flame keeps erupting from it every other post. Most of it is because ponies, but still.
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| Posted on 2012-04-16 02:08:51 PM |
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QuoteIt's not the content really; it's the format. Something more specific (such as the "nerd" topic) actually invites discussion. Everyone posting a different noun under a certain theme, however, does not.
Except that this isn't really the fault of the thread itself as much as the people who post in it. For example, say someone started a "what is your favourite kind of dessert?" thread. Some people might actually say why X dessert is their favourite. And, then, there are the users that drop "lolcake" and run.
People should have the good common sense to post appropriately, regardless if the thread is on recent political scandals or your favourite brand of toothpaste. True, some threads attract bad content, and those threads should and will be closed, but we should have faith enough in users that we give them the benefit of the doubt.
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| Posted on 2012-04-17 05:20:39 AM |
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Why does that rule even exist? Not only does it restrict the content that can be posted in Talk but its basis is that the majority of users who post in the thread are only doing so to up their post count. We established months ago that the concept of "postcount++" was moronic and we scrapped it, so ... what basis does it even have now? Who cares if someone a short, but relevant, post, such as, "i like chocolate flavoured ice cream", in a thread asking for your favourite flavour.
QuoteIf you are referring to threads like "Shit that gets you mad," then I agree with you 100%
Well I, and a few hundred other users who posted in that thread, don't agree with you. That thread isn't bad at all and people are having a perfectly mature and relevant discussion about what gets them mad.
I don't think it's right to just dictate what people can talk about because you have your own standards of what a good discussion is. If people want to talk about it and have reasonable things to contribute, go ahead. Even if it's mindless chatter you shouldn't be banning all "what is your favourite x" threads. You should only deal with threads that are absolute crap.
QuoteHonestly, I would say these need to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. The rule you cited was really only put in place after a huge swath of 'lol wits your fav deodorant flavor' threads started showing up.
Bolded for emphasis, quoted to mention how, a) you're giving examples of those threads in the worst possible light, and b) if people were able to discuss what their favourite ... deodorant flavour was, then let them. No harm done.
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| Last edited on 2012-04-17 05:23:23 AM by Blumiere. |
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| Posted on 2012-04-17 10:55:51 AM |
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You know, I'm actually shooting for Blumiere's points right now (rare, because usually he just makes me facepalm, so congratulations). I've always thought that the Talk forum's thread SHOULD be dealt with on a case-by-case basis. If we keep adding restrictions on what can be posted there, we're going to end up with a forum which is totally dead and useless.
Don't get me wrong - there are obviously threads there which start off as pure shit and never go anywhere. Those are ones that could be closed immediately. However, even threads like "What is your favorite brand of cereal" seem fine, really. I mean, it's a discussion forum after all.
I mean, I don't know. Thoughts?
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| Posted on 2012-04-17 11:08:47 AM |
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I think what's really missing from 'favourite' and 'least favourite' style threads is the concept of explanation. Usually when I ask a question in talk, I'll ask the responding people to go into a bit of detail as to why.
The concept of explanation can, arguably, make a key difference in how the thread is in terms of quality. Let's say I made a thread called 'Who's your favourite YouTube user?' and asked said question in the thread.
Leaving the answer just as something like 'BlueXephos' doesn't really leave much insight and several posts like this could easily get the thread closed.
Now, let's say I elaborate on my answer and say something like 'My favourite YouTube channel is BlueXephos. This is where the Yogscast upload all their videos. The reason I like them is because they have a very quick upload schedule and their videos are highly amusing. They also keep me up to date on the latest Minecraft updates which is very handy, especially when I don't find the time to research this stuff myself'.
We've instantly got a much better discussion which can be responded to with opinions, thoughts, and so on.
I don't think we should restrict what users can post but instead encourage them to write more.
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| Posted on 2012-04-17 11:35:31 AM |
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Wait so
You (Camerin) say, that "what's your favourite X" threads are to be closed on sight, because no real discussion can spring from it, only people making lists (which also is the case most of the time, but disregard that for a second) that harm nobody, because that's kinda similar to spam.
But THEN you say that "what do you hate most about/in X" threads should be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, even though those threads are just as prone to become a list of lists AND are absolutely guaranteed to stir up shit at some point no matter what, because that's just how the internet is?
Did I get that right?
If so, think about that for a second.
If anything, I think it should be the other way around, or ideally, as snniere said, deal with EVERY thread on a case-by-case basis.
Or just force everyone to be more detailed.
Originally posted by CamerinOther hate-based threads like "You can wipe one thing off the face of the earth" are more intelligent.
Also irony because the thread was shit already when you posted that.
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| Posted on 2012-04-17 12:25:02 PM |
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I actually managed to figure that one out after the first person noted that, leod. I don't need everyone in this thread telling me that.
In general, 'hate' threads have the potential to be more dramatic. Tell me you can't see something as innocent as 'fictional characters you don't like?' turning into 'death to ponies'. Yet, at the same time, I feel that dislike-based threads have the potential to bring about a bit more discussion that like-based threads.
@Blumiere: I'll say it again that the 'no favourite X threads' rule was implemented after a large rush of dumb/pointless threads about likes/dislikes. It's the same logic behind why the Art forum gained a 'no pokémon splices' rule after it was inundated with endless splicing threads.
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| Posted on 2012-04-17 12:31:58 PM |
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Originally posted by Camerin@Blumiere: I'll say it again that the 'no favourite X threads' rule was implemented after a large rush of dumb/pointless threads about likes/dislikes. It's the same logic behind why the Art forum gained a 'no pokémon splices' rule after it was inundated with endless splicing threads.
I don't deny that these rules made sense when they were made.
But are they still needed? The favourite X rule is eight months old, and the splices thread is eleven months old, with the "no splices threads" rule being far older. Is there any risk the shitstorms will reappear if we remove those rules?
Edit: Okay, I take that back. This is getting ridiculous again.
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| Last edited on 2012-04-17 03:24:41 PM by Alcaro. |
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| Posted on 2012-04-17 01:25:14 PM |
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Or you do it the simple way and become stricter (how hypocritical of me, I know). Let people create threads and discuss whatever they want and everybody who acts up e.g. "ponies suck" get a timeban and the second instance they repeat the same mistake a forum ban slapped into their faces.
I don't get why people like jimbo1qaz (or empoleom to name another example - though he did get a timeban at least at one point iirc) get away with shitposts like this one.
It's sad how much of babysitting has to be done on here because the average IQ of the community seems to easily drop into the negative range.
As a sidenote, I'm not singling out myself from the post above.
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| Posted on 2012-04-17 02:08:47 PM |
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If you want to discuss cereals or whatever, why not make a thread about cereals rather than polling everyone's favorite? I think there's a consensus that posting your favorite whatever and not expanding upon that is pretty much a waste of bandwidth, but posting your favorite whatever and explaining why is fine. That way we're actually TALKING, not participating in a poll.
Alright, how about this for a further refinement of my suggestion here:
No polling threads unless the poll itself is for some purpose.
So people could still talk about toothpaste or whatever, but the topic starter would have to ask for more than people to list brand names.
No comment on hate filled posts specifically since I'm pretty sure insulting other people's hobbies and interests is already against the rules.
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| Posted on 2012-04-18 01:41:34 AM |
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Originally posted by S.N.N.You know, I'm actually shooting for Blumiere's points right now (rare, because usually he just makes me facepalm, so congratulations)
See, I can be serious when I want to be, it's just less fun that way.
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| Posted on 2012-04-19 12:40:20 PM |
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This thread in and of itself is a hate thread towards hate threads. That aside...
I'd say leave the rule implemented. Keep a close eye on the content in these threads. Deal with the first flamer who trolls or whatever on any "what is your favorite X" thread. This includes me--and I know I have been trolling just with the way I have been typing. I'd be blind if I didn't admit it.
The rule is simple, really, and to try idiot-proofing the rule to say "By which we mean don't list off pancake types you like," is...not working smarter, it's working harder, to achieve a goal that all users want: healthy discussion without that one asshole who has to derail a topic.
Hope my two cents helped. If not, may S.N.N. strike me down with an ice cream truck.
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| Posted on 2012-04-19 06:20:43 PM |
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both "love" and "hate" threads are almost guaranteed to end up as "x is better than x".
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