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Which do you prefer: Chocolate or Vanilla hacks, and why?
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I don't know if this thread has been done before (if it has, I request the mods to redirect me to that topic), but I didn't see it anywhere.

I am just wondering what y'all prefer. Do you like the simpleness of vanilla, or the creativity of chocolate? Also, please tell me why, so I could get a better understanding of your reasoning.

I'm more of a chocolate fan myself, due to the fact that a whole bunch could be changed from just one game.
Somewhere in between but closer to vanilla. I like levels that have a vanilla aesthetic but also include some sort of fundamental aspect that makes them not feel so vanilla.

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I don't really care, as long as the game is fun and well-designed.

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Originally posted by Ten
I don't really care, as long as the game is fun and well-designed.

Pretty much my opinion.

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Neither. Its just that "vanilla" hacks are harder to design in ways that keep the player invested whereas chocolate hacks are harder to design in terms of managing custom resources.

What matters ultimately is a hack that is both fun, well-designed, and speaks to being uniquely creative.

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Do I prefer food or vegan food?
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Do you like the simpleness of vanilla

Not the simpleness of vanilla, please. Good hacks to me are hacks that go wild with new/different stuff, vanilla or not

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Originally posted by ft029
Do I prefer food or vegan food?

Yeah I was basically going to post something like this. "Do I prefer hacks or hacks with arbitrary restrictions"

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Going to say that I full well prefer a fully customized Chocolate experience over the done-all-the-time vanilla; and to keep in theme, I prefer an SMAS experience over a vanilla SMW experience. I like more originality than just creatively individualized level design in what I play. I like to see a story to keep me invested, original content of some form, whether it be music, graphics, asm, whatever, as long as it has something I have not seen before
Vanilla or chocolate doesn't matter, I just like it best when people get the most out of the resources they've restricted themselves to.

That said I would prefer that people don't artificially restrict themselves, so in the strictest since of the question I would have to answer chocolate. But I can't exactly control how other people make their hacks, and it doesn't matter in the end. Good hacks are good hacks.
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I personally don't care. As long as the palettes of the sprites have been changed. And maybe some thing with custom sprites or some new technological thing. I also always for the most part skip all those crappy kaizo hacks that literaly everyone makes and also makes up like 96% of uploaded hacks per month, Unless it looks interesting I skip it and move on.
Chocolate. There are a lot more things that can be done with them, and I find that a lot of vanilla hacks tend to feel really tryhard, especially if they try their best to be a chocolate hack. But I will play either if they're enjoyable.
Chocolate, because i like to see new resources and how the author find new ways to use custom resources, feels more fresh, vanilla feels like replay almost the same always.

I don't have a preference on the type. What I'm looking for is how the resources lead to a playable, and most importantly, entertaining experience. A vanilla hack can be vanilla, or vice versa, but clever techniques can make a vanilla hack even more fun than a chocolate hack sometimes. That's what I think.
Originally posted by Lotica
I don't have a preference on the type. What I'm looking for is how the resources lead to a playable, and most importantly, entertaining experience. A vanilla hack can be vanilla, or vice versa, but clever techniques can make a vanilla hack even more fun than a chocolate hack sometimes. That's what I think.

I don't know about me being capable of using "clever techniques". But I changed a lot of things in my hack using the SMW ROM Map here. It allowed me to change a lot more things than Lunar Magic would ever allow. But I mainly just stick to vanilla nowadays. Feels more natural and less artificial to me.
I'd say sprinkles of chocolate. Some well used and harmonised chocolate things.

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There are chocolate flavored hacks that use custom resources, but ultimately play a lot like basic vanilla levels.

I like a deep dark chocolate hack, one that has been extensively customized with a mix of original content and creative, considered utilization of available resources.

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i like rainbow sherbert lol

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Originally posted by 1337doom
i like rainbow sherbert lol

You act as if this thread's existence is illegal

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Originally posted by Public Enemy Number 1
Do you like the simpleness of vanilla,

I know someone else made this joke but

NooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I like anything that's ambitious, though I do miss the Chocolate hack scene; the only two that are really pure chocolate that were released is Sicari Remastered and Super Wakana Land. Hopefully Super Skye and others can join the party soon enough.
But a good ambitious vanilla-hack is good too; something like the levels from the top 10s of the later VLDC collabs, or something as chaotic as yump.

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