Maybe one day we could make some kind of collab, at least a project related uniquely to graphics, like drawing a big isometric scene depicting the active users of the site doing funny stuff.
I'd be down for this. How about an apartment building or something like that, and each user gets their own room. That'd probably work beter in flat 2d rather than isometric though. If someone wants to organize this, I'd love to help.
There were some really great entries this year, you guys gave some really great competition. In particular, I think PercentN, Wavee, and Pokerface all had really great entries.
I figured I'd be dinged down a bit more than I was for originality, the theme being so open. I thought about doing something with clouds, or an underwater kelp jungle, but I really do love the beach, and I guess the idea stuck. Hopefully you find an excuse to host another ExGFX contest soon, I had a lot of fun.
Oh man, so much salt in this thread. I never knew SMWC was this liberal. Please get a grip people. Trump isn't going to genocide the minorities or whatever, as much as the media would like you to believe.
Originally posted by Pseudogon
Originally posted by Impetus
I would rather pay more taxes and know that I'll get good heathcare, and that my kids will get good education, than pay less taxes and be at the whims of people who care about personal profit and not the public.
I completely agree with this. Taxes are supposed to benefit the country as a whole, so if we lowered them, then how the hell are we gonna have money for healthcare, education, building roads/highways, etc.?
A reminder that if Hillary got office we'd get another four years of Obamacare, which is undeniably a disaster. America's healthcare system is in the toilet, yes, and I think it's been proven that Obama's solution isn't effective. Also, a tax hike would absolutely slaughter small businesses, which are already struggling to stay afloat amidst things like the previously mentioned Obamacare and the minimum-wage increases. Instead of taxing the people more the government needs to be more efficient with what it has.
I am concerned about gay marriage rights, but it seems Trump is more economically conservative than he is socially.
Basically what I'm saying is it's going to be fine.
There were people with very radical views supporting either president. Believe it or not, people tend to say pretty strong shit over the internet, much stronger than they might actually be willing to back up with actions. Yeah some guy on /pol/ might say he wants to "kill all the niggers" but in reality he's not getting off his ass to do anything more than throw some more tendies in the microwave.
Get over yourself. I said people were salty to convey that I think a lot of folks on here are majorly overreacting.
I can agree that Pence is not a very good person at all.
I'm sorry but I feel like this is a circlejerk of 3 people saying "fuck trump ololol he shuld dreenk bleech!!!!1" Please at least give valid explanations for every time you say Trump is the next major evil, and don't just limit it to "he's a bigot" or "he grabbed her by the pussy"
I did, even though I shouldn't need to considering he shows it in almost every speech he holds.
Reading through that, I'm not seeing many valid points here. Unless I missed something, your arguments were as follows.
· He's Big Business
You also mentioned this, but Hillary has lot's of money behind her, suspicious considering that she claims to want to raise taxes on the wealthy. Why would big business support something that would be detrimental to their key goal: making money? Hillary wants to remove tax loopholes which sounds all fine and dandy until you consider that the same loopholes that big businesses use to make even more money are the same ones that small businesses use just to stay afloat. While it comes down to economic theory on whether Trump's plans will work, Hillary's don't seem to make sense.
· Rape Allegations
Unless it can be proven in court, rape allegations simply have no weight. Anyone can say that they were raped by someone else, and as it stands, most that falsely accuse someone of rape get away with little more than a slap on the wrist, despite how detrimental it is to the accused person's image.
· KKK backs him
People love to spout this. The KKK endorsing him doesn't mean he endorses the KKK.
· Trump Quotes
Without context quotes hold little weight. This is especially true about someone like Trump, who doesn't have much of a filter. And that's not always a good thing, sure, but I prefer it to the way politicians usually speak in such a robotic precise way as if they're not even human. Trump's said some stupid shit, but everyone says stupid shit.
Are you trying to imply that the rape accusations didn't harm Trump's campaign, and that falsely accusing someone of rape isn't seriously harmful to them, despite numerous cases where it definitely has?
One of the presidential debates had the question guy flat out state that Trump's plan doesn't make any sense, is vague and the numbers don't match up.
I very highly doubt that a person in that position would claim anything that bad without having researched it through a ton of experts, so I'll take their word over yours here.
I'm not an economics expert nor do I actually care much about this, that part was just a rebuttal to the corruption argument (she's no doubt corrupt either way) while hiding behind people who definitely know more about this than all of us.
(Which, before you or anyone tries to claim that, doesn't make it any less valid of a point.)
And about that small businesses argument -- I don't believe that they have to rely on the same exact tricks that the big ones do, because those generally require a large amount of money or the ability to store shit elsewhere. If this is wrong, feel free to hook me up with sources.
And lastly, it's pretty obvious that they aren't stupid, they'd know this if it were true and find workarounds.
Why does it matter that the moderator said his plan makes no sense. What really matters is why it doesn't make sense.
As far as small businesses, I'm going off what I've heard from small business owners, but I don't have any sources to back my claims up so I guess I can concede that point. Either way, a Hillary presidency couldn't be good for small businesses anyways because it means more Obamacare and raised minimum wage
Originally posted by leod
Hey, that's the "let's dismiss literally every rape accusation and turn the alleged victims into definite assholes" argument you see all over YouTube all the time.
I'm not gonna give that any real response, because as my post you read already stated, I believe that while the accused person shouldn't be immediately locked up, assuming in any way that the accuser is doing it to harm someone's image or to further their goals is straight up fucking evil.
If these accusations all surfaced with him running for president then sure, I could believe a political incentive, but fact of the matter is they didn't.
Not to mention, as Pat said, we will NEVER know the actual answer to this because rich people simply don't get locked up in America, they'll settle it out of court. That's how it worked for Hillary (according to the right), that's how it'll work for Trump.
It's not about assuming the accuser is falsifying claims, it's about not treating the accused as a rapist until it's been proven. Like you said, we can never be sure whether any of the claims against Trump are actually true, but unless they're proven, it's reasonable to assume they're not. This doesn't mean the accusers shouldn't be comforted or treated with respect.
Originally posted by leod
That wasn't really an argument as much as just to give some perspective on what kinds of people also agree with this candidate's views.
Also, people don't spout, they claim.
Just as radical right wing people support Trump, so do radical left wingers support Hillary.
Originally posted by leod
You can click on all the quotes to get context.
And even then, the quotes hold plenty weight without it.
None of them are so vague that details are hidden or twisted by being shortened, he said all those things straight up.
"Everyone says stupid shit" is a 10/10 garbage defense too, because I didn't see Hillary or Bernie say anything anywhere close to as much stupid shit as he did, and most of the shit they said was only half as bad as the shit Trump said, on average (especially re: Bernie).
And even if they did, that doesn't make Trump saying it any better. That's kindergarten-tier logic.
I think the problem is that career politicians like Hillary are very careful about what they say. Trump, on the other hand, conducts himself in an entirely different manner, something more "human". Because of that, he comes off as honest and relatable. Also consider that a lot of the quotes from your site are from before Trump started running for presidency. That doesn't excuse what he's said, I admit, but it goes to show how deep the media dug to make Trump look bad. A lot of anti-Trump arguments boiled down to "HE SAID MEAN STUFF".
Originally posted by leod
Picking 10 or so examples that help your case is barely "proven biased", but I obviously can't verify every single claim they've made, so okay it's slightly skewed I guess?
I don't really see the problem in half of those ratings, there's only two I'd agree are pretty weird, the "Not by the official statistis" one and the "questionable comparison" one.
Cause in the former, by which verifiable statistics then? And the latter because the facts seem right enough, even if that really is a silly comparison.
Definitely not enough to flip both of those truth triangles upsidedown.
(Also can't believe that anyone would actually use that image as an argument considering it complains about the False on Cruz' first quote.)
That all being said, you seem to have completely missed the general point of Trump being a hateful asshole that shouldn't be put into any position of power, ESPECIALLY not with Pence who just takes all his bad views, adds a few and turns them up to eleven.
His presidency is not going to be helpful to anyone that isn't white and straight. Nobody ever seems to be able to produce good points about Trump either, at least none that don't boil down to memes.
Especially since I have literally no idea what it even is that people don't like about Hillary so much. She's your run-of-the-mill politician and I've not heard anyone even try to claim otherwise from the right, it's so confusing to me (bar the "she's the devil incarnate, there's flies on her" Alex Jones people).
How can you not see why people hate Hillary? She's the epitome of everything wrong with politics. She's blatantly corrupt. She's been involved in multiple scandals. She's dishonest. She's smug. She's backed by the establishment. She's more of the same shit that we've been dealing with for 8 years. People are tired of the career politicians that do everything they can to climb the ranks, so much so that they're willing to overlook the glaring flaws of Trump. Yeah, Trump kind of is an asshole but he has more charisma and energy then this election's pre-approved Walmart-brand mass-produced politician.
The difference being that radical lefties spend their time writing angry posts on twitter and tumblr and get pelleted with rubber bullets during peaceful protests while radical righties spend their time infiltrating a government building fully armed, making demands and then shaking an officer's hand and getting off free.
Those are obviously extreme examples, but really, when was the last time anyone was scared of getting stalked and murdered by the black panthers or any similar group compared to right-wing ones?
I know wikipedia isn't exactly a top notch source, but all the other google results I could find for left-wing terrorism (and a lot of variations of the phrase) were sites like this, and well... I don't think you want me to take that seriously.
Meanwhile right-wing terrorism has been more lethal than radical islamic terrorism for the greater part of the past decade, according to this (peppered with sources). There's a reason people are scared.
It's worth mentioning that what America calls "left" is actually pretty center everywhere else in the world, even your radical left barely reaches the normal left here.
As far as I know, the radical right isn't any more or less violent than the left. Many of those "peaceful" protests aren't very peaceful at all, and there's quite a number of times where Trump supporters have been attacked whereas the opposite seemingly isn't true (going off the google results of (trump supporter attacked vs. hillary/clinton supporter attacked, feel free to provide evidence). Anyways, I think we can agree that radicals, no matter which side they're on are bad.
Originally posted by leod
Read it (expected it to be longer by the scrollbar but the comments section is gigantic!).
And well, yes, that study does make the point that republican politicians featured do get the liar treatment rather often, BUT the entire thing not once gives any signs of actual bias, it says that there is a possible one that may or may not exist a few times (which of course it does, everything that compares two things has this potential), but it never gives any actual examples.
It mentions a lot that certain politicians on the right get put down as False more, but it doesn't go to show any of these decisions as false or puts them in contrast with similar statements from the left (as that rightwing propaganda image you posted tried to).
I realize that isn't the point it's trying to make, just making sure we all realize that even that study could not find any significant unfair judgement calls your earlier "source" tried to convince us all of.
Its actual point is that republican politicians more often have statements picked that are false, while the left gets away being proven right more often, which, if you think about it a little, literally proves nothing.
It could mean that Politifact leans left and cherrypicks statements as they see fit (although this would be hard for Trump vs Clinton specifically because the facts that need checking are often asked for by people during debates, for quick response), but it could also mean that republicans just lie more. We are back at square one, and all we figured out is that you tricked yourself with your first image.
There's also an entire website dedicated to showing the bias of Politifact although I really can't vouch for the credibility of it seeing as they have their own biases. Might be worth digging through though. I couldn't find anything concrete enough though.
Originally posted by leod
Trump has been involved in multiple scandals, is (so far still) proven to be more dishonest, is smug as all get out (the right makes memes out of every single smug face he does, I've seen him be smug and dismissive a lot more than I've heard Hillary's weird quiet hiccupy laugh face), he is the establishment.
I can't say that he's corrupt because he literally isn't a politician, but I'm very sure he's going to put his own interests first, even if in roundabout ways.
And honestly, I don't see the problem with Obama. He cut your problems in half and paved the way to minority rights finally getting any kind of attention, as far as I'm concerned it's gucci more than it's not.
Which scandals exactly? Consider that there is a difference between a personal scandal (like rape accusations) and a political scandal (like Clintons').
I don't really know what to say about the smugness thing, because Trump is smug, but I guess it's like a different kind of smug? I know how stupid that sounds.
If Trump was the establishment, then why was the establishment doing everything it could to stop him from winning? Hillary had tons of big money behind her, and spent nearly twice as much on her campaign.
Originally posted by leod
Then there are also all the things Impetus just listed and all the vile things he's said I've already posted a list to, all of which once again don't even cover his choice of goddamn fucking Pence. I have hope for Trump, but none for him.
Despite everything I've said, fuck Pence. Pence is what Liberals think Trump is. The only reason I could think of for Trump to choose Pence as his VP is for life insurance.
It's funny, though. I was never really a huge Trump supporter. Hell, I don't even like him. Frankly, he's an asshole. Hillary, though, as I said before, is everything I hate about politics wrapped up in a nice bundle. And honestly I'm real tired of all these liberals crying about how Trump is literally Hitler and that the world's ending. I'm just waiting for things to stop being so weird. It's been one hell of a year.
But that's a Facebook post?
You do realize people post fake stories on Facebook all the time to push political views or to get sympathy or for attention.
But let's give it the benefit of the doubt.
Those people in the story are assholes.
Assholes will always exist.
Your side has assholes.
My side has assholes.
Everyone has assholes.
It's a fact of life. It sucks, but it's ridiculous to blame anyone other than the assholes for being assholes.