Nonsense

Wonderful hack - so many talented creators, exciting gimmicks, a difficulty curve that has the audacity to not only exist but actually feel like a curve... Big recommend.

I was gonna wait to leave a review until I've 100% completed the hack, but I'm gonna be stuck playing this for a long time so I might as well share my thoughts here. I love this hack despite the fact that it's ridiculously hard, probably the hardest SMW hack I've had the courage to slog through. I've talked to some players who are completely unphased by levels that hurt my hands and make me wanna put down the controller for a week. I'm willing to endure the insanity of these levels only because they're designed so well and so interestingly, and getting through this is honestly making me better at playing games.

I told myself I wouldn't use any savestates while playing this and I've since broken that rule for myself. I try to avoid using them and just get through the stages, but some stages are so ridiculous to me that I caved (Shoelace Castle, the second half of Yoshi's Ditch, getting the berries in Apple Orchard Picking, etc). I'm hoping the more I try to just endure this shit that I can get better and not need them but I've hit the massive difficulty spike in world 4 and I'm not so sure. I guess we'll see.

But yeah, fantastic hack so far. All the videos I've seen of the later levels give me a lot to look forward to but also dread .

This is so good!!!!

okay i dont really like asking for help but im onto the level Chateau Glissade and im onto the second area where you need to stay in a sliding animation i am having trouble staying in slide animation like im holding the jump button can someone please help with this part like what am i suppose to do this is my time trying to beat very hard rom hack

I finally finally finally RTA'd my way through the entire hack. Iso and Jolpe were the final barrier (Jolpe wins the "only level i couldn't/wouldn't do without savestates" award, congratulations! Come pick up your prize in the middle of nowhere Michigan, USA). (Also, because it is SO fresh on the brain, shouts to Iso for Hypogean Athletic; incredible.)

Genuinely, this is an incredible, wondrous, exhausting hack. This and a recent replay of Jump (also my first time getting through that RTA) gave me an immense appreciation for Jolpe and Morsel's creations. Every time I played a Jolpe level especially, it was a lovely and wonderful experience, even when it was dauntingly difficult.

Anyway, very excellent, very tough hack. Thank you to everyone who helped make it a reality <3

Name of music for Layer is Push level?

probably my favorite hack of all time, filled to the brim with creative concepts and never gets too difficult :>

I did it I just got the !!
118 exits!
(I didn't got the , and I wont)

I decided to give another chance, I managed to beat it both exits without external power-ups nor savestates. I dislike just a bit less now, still my least favorite level.

After my second playthrough i can confidently say that this is easily one of my favorite hacks. The sheer masterclass of level design and polish at show here is astounding. Thank you so much for making it.

late comment but-- this is probably my all-time favorite hack. incredibly creative levels with lots of engaging, thrilling setups, and everything is fair. The last few worlds are very challenging, but in a fun way; nothing is too brutal. Highly recommend.

Thank you for changing the music at "Apocalyptic Athletic", I did beat the 1st part of the level yesterday thanks to it!
Also today I beat the level (savestateless and without practice)!
(It was very very slightly easier than "Hard relay Mario" imo)

117 exits!

Finally got around to play this Nonsense (pun intended).

For a long time i regarded Jump1/2 as the best collab hack ever ( read: in my opinion) but now I'm happy to say Nonsense has taken that mantle. Smooth difficulty curve, lots of variety and in general well made levels that don't feel too out of place when placed abck to back with others. It does get more difficult as the game progresses but I never found a situation where the level itself would be at fault for my deaths.

This is Super Mario World romhacking at its best and I highly recommend it, even if going for full completion may seem daunting at first.

hey the link doesn't work
anyways i've been trying to beat this cause i was like "oh this doesn't look that hard" it is so fucking hard
every level after the halfway point of world 4 is a mountain to get trough and i haven't even reached anywhere the point where people are saying the gloves come off
the level design is really good so far (with some questionable choices, like the pokey level, but nothing as bad as some of the og JUMP levels at least) but holy shit is it brutal, i'm not even sure how to mentally deal with levels this hard
update: got up to the final w6 level and now im sure how to mentally deal with levels this hard and better at platformers overall. thanks!

Just got done playing this, pretty good overall. I got through about 96 exits without any savestates. Many of these levels were challenging and made me seethe, but were rewarding to finally finish. Eventually though I hit a wall. I couldn't beat the secret exit of Wet Floor after various attempts throughout the game, and I grew impatient and savestated to complete it. At that point my motivation to finish the rest of the game tool-less was gone, and I sped through remaining levels. That consisted of a few star world levels, last half of the special world, the end of Motion Slickness and rest of world 7.

For how annoying some of these levels were, they dragged down the experience for me. Even though I needed to savestate at the end, I really liked levels like Motion Slickness. It was hard but it also felt fun to blitz through. To list a few other levels that I really enjoyed, I liked Donut County. Same reason as the previous, it was just fun to move through the level. I savestated through this one, but Sempiternity of the Void was a fun one for me. I think I could have beaten this one without, but this was at my rushing through the game point, so I didn't.

Chateau Glissade was clever, I didn't know anything really about the glitches of Mario sliding, aside from well known stuff like killing certain sprites. It took a few minutes, but I figured it out, so I think the level is good for being able to intuitively teach you this obscure glitch. One of my favorites was probably the Mantis Tunnel, as it was like a little indie game self contained into this one random level. It being the gateway to the secret world made it feel way more mysterious. I liked the world 6 castle, the fire forest level, the rainbow chuck level and a lot more, but I don't want to list them all as I liked quite a few

Then there's levels like Wet Floor, which just felt awkward for me to play. This might be due to having to switch to an xbox controller because ironically, the dpad on my snes controller started doing right inputs when I don't them to, right after I finished the level with the broken dpad gimmick, or at least that's when I noticed it. I don't like the Xbox dpad, so I used the analog stick, which might have made quickly switching directions harder than it needed to. Too many levels were hard but not fun to play. Many had some forced gimmick like control randomizing bullet bills, reverse control double jump, insta-fall grey platforms, wind, RNG pokeys, etc. A lot of the times I would just feel annoyed at a level, since it would feel like every sprite and tile was placed with surgical precision to be as difficult/ uncomfortable of a jump as possible.

Sometimes there would just be an overwhelming amount of moving parts at once. One thing that got on my nerves were setups that depend on multiple moving sprites, since if you enter at a slightly different timing, it throws off the whole setup and make it impossible or harder. One that comes to mind is Stone Cut Trail, the one part where a fuzzy is blocking an on\off switch, but it lines up with the line guide platform in such a way that it's impossible to hit. Although I really enjoyed that level, aside from that one tiny section.

Despite the seethe it caused me, I think this was a high quality hack, just one that my skill level wasn't prepared for. The Bowser Fight was an incredible final boss, but I just can't see myself completing it anytime soon tool-less. Someday I do want to revisit this hack with stronger Mario playing abilities, and beat it legit. My enjoyment from finishing a level was definitely way less once I started using savestates, so I didn't get to truly experience the whole hack. Even though in the final stretch I used savestates to rush through it, I think my Mario abilities came out the other end stronger from this.

I played through the entirety of the game, all exits, and I have to say its easily one of the coolest games I have ever played in my entire life, and one of the best. It is hard as hell at times, but fun, and giggly at others...Was one hell of a feat. Would recommend 10/10

I finally beat this 100% with all 119 exits and all 375 dragon coins. Personally I didn't think it was gonna happen as some level seriously kicked my butt to the point I was just gonna give up.

The overworld design and mapping is definitely one of the best I've seen. The stars really make it easy to navigate far distances and the rest very straight forward. I like the addition of the second green star world bonus area. Loved how certain achevements and certain levels cleared unlock other parts of the map.

As for the level design they are TOUGH! Definitely designed for very experienced players. I loved the gradual difficulty increase. I definitely learned some new tricks I never new before. Had to watch a couple clear videos to learn some techniques.



The Bowser fight at the end was ROUGH! Don't get me wrong, it was one of the best if not, the best Bowser fights I've even seen in a rom hack. But holy was it HARD. I think the intermittent hammer bro fights were honestly a little too unnecessary. Personally I would have put this boss fight at the end of the bonus area for the hardcore 100% players and maybe some other fight in the bowser castle. Just my 2 cents.

Overall I give this hack 5/5


Here;s a link to my 100% SRAM if anyone needs.
https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=37528

Good Hack

someone knows what its the name of the music of "hard relay mario" and "my best friend, the bullet"

Haven't beaten it yet, but damn am I having fun! 5/5

This hack was delightful. A senseless pursuit was a super fun finale, but I did bowsers castle before going back and getting 100% on remaining yoshi coins so the lack of a boss felt a little anticlimactic. If I had any criticism, I would say that considering how often wendy was used as a boss and how absurdly long the fight was with bowser in an airplane, maybe some of the midway bosses during the final fight would have better served as pre or post wendy bosses? The fight easily takes 10 minutes if you do an excellent job with it, the hammer bros just feel like so much more than necessary. I dont' think either fight was bad viewed in a vacuum, but viewed as an assemblage of... three hammer bros who take 10-ish hits each and a plane that takes a billion hits, it was significantly more difficult and tedious than a lot of the rest of the game overall.
I will say though I absolutely love the idea of a bullet hell fight and thought that was a super fun concept. A lot of the folks who worked on this have made or contributed to some of my favorite hacks, and man something about large collaborative projects always manages to really hit the spot and feel really special. Really wonderful job, everyone who contributed to this hack!

I've just 100%ed this, and want to say a massive thank you to Gbreeze, Miraclewater, Jolpengammler and everyone else who contributed to making this hack.

Beating this 100% is one of the hardest things I've ever done in a game. Many levels took multiple hours, and I'm incredibly proud of myself for sticking at it and completing this truly incredible hack.

Now that I'm nearly done (110 exits so far), I feel I can properly rate this.

I really appreciate that this hack captures the old-school feeling of despair playing late 2000s Japanese SMW hacks, and the inspiration from Anitiki, Haimari, and Carol are everywhere. Also, the difficulty indicator, dragon coins system, overworld, music, visuals, and many level gimmicks worked really well. My favourite levels were Mantis Tunnel (beautiful aesthetics and enjoyable puzzle), Quiet in the Library (very creative gimmick and obstacles), Apocalyptic Athletic (cool aesthetics, music, and obstacles), Snake Trap (a fun block snake level?), and the final boss (coolest bossfight in any SMW hack).

However, I heavily disliked the amount of levels that altered/gimped Mario's physics. It feels like many levels revolved around enemy spam + some gimmick that hindered Mario's movement. Similarly, there were too many otherwise good levels ruined by enemy spam (lava lotus and pitching chucks especially) where the optimal strategy was bringing two capes and skipping as much as possible. Some levels were also needlessly long and repetitive to the point where I questioned if they were even playtested. My least favourite levels were Just Hold Right (awful gimmick), K2 (wind was janky and overly long sections), Non Compos Mentis (this shouldn't exist), I Played SMB3 Once (too centralized around not losing the powerup), and Pountiful Pouncy Pokey (garbage RNG level).

Overall, while I don't enjoy this hack as much as JUMP, JUMP 1/2, and SMW Gaiden, it's a very solid standard hack that any experienced player should play. And it is much better than competing standard hacks like -omh- (unpolished and feels more like a parody than a hack), Effortworld (very unfun levels for the most part), and Naughtyworld (feels this was made to spite the player - garbage and annoying levels).

On a final note, I was very impressed by most of Jolpe's levels. He's come a far way from his dumpster fire levels in JUMP. I also really enjoyed Snoruntpyro's levels -- despite only creating a few levels/sections, she did a great job and I'd love to see her create more stuff.

4/5. Great stuff and thanks for the effort making this.

Just beat the level I was stuck on, so now Nonsense is 5/5 GOTY 2023.

this hack is really good, and it's probably the most ambitious hack i've ever played. i am absolutely floored by the scope of this thing. y'all killed it.

all the creators did really well here, but i wanted to give a special nod to Jolpengammler, who is at the absolute peak of his level creation game here and i adored everything he did for this (even the control-scrambling bullet level, which, although a sin, made me laugh harder than just about anything outside of qldc).

buyer beware: this hack is incredibly difficult - more difficult by a significant margin than even other standard: very hard hacks. i was humbled by a number of levels in this 😅

Saying this hack "isn't for beginners" and advising "newcomers to SMW" to hone their skills before attempting this hack undersells its difficulty, IMO. I've been playing SMW ROM hacks for nearly two decades. I'm not exactly an elite player, but I've beaten a fair number of challenging hacks and games in general; I'm no scrub. Despite this, Nonsense's relentless difficulty began taking a toll on my mental health relatively early on.

I feel like I probably could beat the levels I'm currently stuck on, but I'm not even remotely close to finishing the hack, or even reaching Bowser's Castle. It's hard to want to keep playing when I know that there are dozens of levels that could stonewall me even if I muster up the patience to complete this or that level. It's a real shame, because many levels are really, really good.

I won't rate this hack because I can't really fault it for anything except raw difficulty. Clearly it's not "for" me. But I do have to wonder who the hack is "for", if it's so far beyond even my skill level.

(This user continued attempting to play Nonsense, despite everything he just said.)

Not compatible with RetroArch????

One of my favorite standard hacks out there. A fantastic variety of levels, and some of them even attempt to risk a bit using conventionally hated ideas such as reverse controls. Even though I didn't love every level, the overall experience has been greatly positive, and insanely hard too. This hack ain't for beginners, it can get extremely mean in world 6 onwards. And sometimes frustrating, but playing it in "short bursts" helped me to tackle its challenges.

Overall, despite my frustrations with few design choices, I give it 5/5 stars. Well done and thanks for making it.

Not great. Lot of weird design decisions. Balance is all over the place. There's lots of interesting gimmicks but then they add stuff to the level that just makes them play terribly.

It's like a not very good Jump 1/2, so just play that instead if you're looking for a good Standard: Very Hard hack.

Amazing, thank you so much for making this

Loved this hack its like SMW Gaiden and JUMP having a baby. But in the true finale of the level I cant finish it without cheats so I cheated the finale 😝. Not totally cheated but the hubs 3 and 4 rooms are very difficult for me

Congraturations GeniusBreeze, MiracleWorker and the Various Au-some ROM Hackers on this genius, miraculous and awesome hack.

I'm at 116 exits, I think I can fairly review it (hopefully)
(All exits but )

It was mostly fun, but the main issues are the too steep global difficulty curve (even for 119 exits, like the endgame is SO SO Hard!) and the inconsistant use of the fast retry.
Also I beat almost every level without external power-ups nor savestates (I will say which levels I didn't in "Issues and things (spoilers)"...)

Issues and things (spoilers): Show/Hide

Overworld: I open the 7th (and 6th, they are tied) star path to star world before beating "The sempiternity of the Void", It looks like either I was not supposed to access the level from the 7th star or the event path is missing.


Levels:
- At "A tragic disapperance", I can glitch the layer 2 by going back at the right place.

- p. pountiful pouncy pusting-out pokey's second half

Originally posted by Midgame review

I had to use feathers to beat that half, it was just painfully RNG unfairness, (sometimes the pokeys bounces off a left wall off-screen). I think adding a lot of sprite-only blocks would save this level imo...

- Just Hold Right: By far my least favorite level of the hack, I really wish the level was more than "you can't do normal precision platforming well anymore", like with a always right broken controller, we can do superspeed cloud/p-balloon for example... I brought external capes for the 2nd half of the main exit and for the secret exit savestate spam from the secret sublevel; It was so awful for me
- Hard Relay Mario: I think it's the hardest level in the hack (I completed), maybe 5 star imo. The 2nd half has big mario unfriendliness design issue I think, not sure.
- A line in the darkness: The platform on a invisible live with fireball rain on the 2nd half of the level is unfair unlike the rest of the level.
- Hypogean Athletic:
-- The 2nd half of the 1st half of the level has such a strong big super mario unfriendliness that when I stop caring about power-ups I finally made progress quickly and eventually succeed...
-- At The 2nd half of the level, those spinning spike tops behave like (spiky) disco shells, it's an issue since nowhere the hack has such disco riding skill before, also they don't flash like disco shells. Also, the spinning platforms makes mario touch the side of the muncher even with the red switch blocks, they are badly placed imo.

(Also I was too frustated with the level so I used a single savestate right before this obstacle)

Others:
I appreciate the fast retry for harder levels, however when those fast retry levels are very common on the latter half of the game, it's pointless to not just fast retry every levels imo. Also It feels really bad to have slow vanilla retry after a lot of fast retry levels. Also again, there's 3 to 4 stars levels without fast retry, which feels even worse to play; I wish the star requirement for garanteed fast retry is lower.

Rating: 3+/5
It's indeed super hard, it's only for the best of standard players!

Btw thank you "nonsense team" for the hack (even through I didn't really enjoy the hack)


Album link: https://imgur.com/a/Tmd10HV

after 100%ing this i think i can confidently say this is the most fun i have ever had playing a romhack

A small update has been made to the game that fixes a bug related to dragon coins. While we’ve only had a few reports of it happening, it can prevent you from 100%ing the game if triggered. It is recommended you update if you downloaded the hack prior to December 23. Your old sram will be compatible.

Absolutely incredible hack, bursting with creativity and personality.

with a romhack like this, I don't need presents in December

Loved all of it.

I know Mr Dee von its just I love them both and nonsense has many great custom mechanics that I wish we can use them on our hacks

This is (probably) the biggest, no nonsense, non-Kaizō collab hack ever made since JUMP. Might as well try this one right now!!

Fight, SMWC! For everlasting peace!

Wow to many authors in this hack

Omh and this are the most crazy hacks of 2023

Well omh is still good

Good.

Oh boy <3

This hack was a wonderfully fun experience through and through. Congrats on the release to everyone involved!

76 exits so far, in the middle of world 4 and 5...

This is so far one of the best hack I ever played, every level are well-designed and super fun...

...except one:

p. pountiful pouncy pusting-out pokey's second half

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I had to use feathers to beat that half, it was just painfully RNG unfairness, (sometimes the pokeys bounces off a left wall off-screen). I think adding a lot of sprite-only blocks would save this level imo...

Temporary rating: 4+/5 (updated)

Having an absolute blast so far, with the vast majority of levels being quite good. Congratulations on the release everyone!

Your description made me laugh out loud. I think you deserve 5 stars just for that. The hack itself is great too

It takes a lot to get me to play about half of a hack in a day anymore, but i did with this one. Remarkable.

I haven't played it yet, but these reviews, along with my love for collaboration hacks, makes me want to try it out immediately

I can't imagine to begin the amount of work, planning, effort, and intense passion it took to bring this to life, but I'm so grateful to gbreeze, miraclewater, and everyone who contributed to this. An experience that everyone should try.

This is the first hack where I have no idea if any future hack could ever surpass it as my favorite. I can't even imagine what such a hack would look like. Truly the culmination of the decades of experience we've gained as a community.

Incredible work. Easily one of the best hacks to ever exist.

I’m more than happy to see this hack released. Congratulations gbreeze, MiracleWater, and all level authors and contributors.

5/5 for the rextep level

I've never been so excited for a game release before, I'm freaking out!!!!

My name is Fén and this is my favorite hack on the SMWCitadel. Having tested it, you know I'm telling the truth.

GG on release y'all, what an exciting day

Absolute Chad move releasing the hack of the year after Mosts voting has already started

Best hack of all time, I can say this as I tested this hack thoroughly