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The Bar & Grill: you ever notice how its called Bar ‘n’ Grill in the opening post but it’s called Bar & Grill in the title? What

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Originally posted by Sam
So yeah, ACAB I guess.

It's about time someone said it here.

Frankly, I'm sorry to hear about the situation with cops in your country. I can imagine it could make the coronavirus situation in your country a lot shittier than all around the world now.

It all makes me think a cop from Minnesota strangled a black man (I forget his name) to death only because he wasn't white.

Also, BLM.
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COVID cases are definitely gonna skyrocket because of this but I'm glad something is being done about the police brutality and systematic racism in this country.
Thankfully, I live far enough away from Minneapolis/St. Paul that I am not directly affected by the protests. It really sucks for those that live in the cities where this stuff is going on. It's amazing how many police officers are quite readily proving the protestors' point about police brutality.
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Police brutality has been a problem for the past 10 years. Maybe more. But I really feel like the police force desperately needs a serious reboot. But honestly, I have have no clue how the country could fix something like this without introducing other problems.

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Wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the rioters were opportunist white people masquerading as activists. Even my black friends denounce looting and the like and so do the Floyd family. Apparently Jake Paul was filming one of the riots.

Originally posted by Falaflame
But I really feel like the police force desperately needs a serious reboot. But honestly, I have have no clue how the country could fix something like this without introducing other problems.

I wonder if they don't have to take any kind of psych evaluation or counseling.

Originally posted by Sam
So yeah, ACAB I guess.

Even the black officers?
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There have been protests all over the world now which truly is a sight to see. Remember, a "good" cop will still stand by and do nothing when a bad cop kills another person of color. Standing by and doing nothing is the same thing as compliance. Don't be a cop.
Originally posted by Sokobansolver
Wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the rioters were opportunist white people masquerading as activists. Even my black friends denounce looting and the like and so do the Floyd family. Apparently Jake Paul was filming one of the riots.

Yeah a lot of White people wanting to fulfill their anarchist fantasies have been taking part in the looting and its only hurting the cause (also fuck Jake Paul).

Originally posted by Sokobansolver
Originally posted by Sam
So yeah, ACAB I guess.

Even the black officers?

Honestly, yeah. If you’re part of the police force you’re guilty by association regardless of race. Even if you joined the force with good intentions you’re still supporting an organization that actively silences, targets, and kills minorities.
Originally posted by Samantha
If you’re part of the police force you’re guilty by association regardless of race. Even if you joined the force with good intentions you’re still supporting an organization that actively silences, targets, and kills minorities.

So how exactly do you reconcile this with society's *need* for cops? Like it or not, the police force still serves an important fundamental purpose even if every single one of them is a terrible person (hypothetically speaking). If you're going to write off the entire organization because of association alone, then are you suggesting that we shouldn't have cops at all?

For the record, I'm not defending the police at all (because I agree that most of them are pretty bad - in the US, at least), and I'm certainly not posting this to undermine the protests or anything of the sort, but I feel like such a broad statement isn't taking into account the potential consequences of that viewpoint.
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You could say cops are a necessary evil, but it's all about the balance of power here. Killing unarmed civilians is an abuse of that power and should be protested. You can have 9 good cops, but it takes only 1 cop misbehaving to spoil the sanctity of the police force. That's why people are now advocating for investigative bureaus that can prosecute bad cops, and better recruitment and training.
Originally posted by Samantha
If you’re part of the police force you’re guilty by association regardless of race. Even if you joined the force with good intentions you’re still supporting an organization that actively silences, targets, and kills minorities.

You're just generalizing. It's the same as saying 'gay people shouldn't have equal rights because they belong to the same group as pedophiles' or 'Russian people are drunk'. Same energy. You wouldn't like to get lynched for your transsexuality, would you?

I'm not attacking or anything, I'm just stating thinking like this is unreasonable. You haven't really been safe two times as of now and it'd be sad seeing you waste your chance.
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Well, that wasn't a very nice post from your part now was it

Originally posted by 7 up
gay people shouldn't have equal rights because they belong to the same group as pedophiles

For the record, they don't. Nobody in the LGBTQ+ community accepts pedophilia as a sexuality nor respects pedophiles asking for integration. Please don't associate us.

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I'm just stating thinking like this is unreasonable

I don't agree with it, but it really isn't as bad a thought as you seem to think with the tone of your post (what with the personal callouts and all). It's about not trusting the institution, which honestly I do understand coming from someone who lives in the US.

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For the record, they don't. Nobody in the LGBTQ+ community accepts pedophilia as a sexuality nor respects pedophiles asking for integration. Please don't associate us.

I really didn't intend to offend anyone in this community nor did I share wrongful information. I gave an example of generalizing.

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I don't agree with it, but it really isn't as bad a thought as you seem to think with the tone of your post (what with the personal callouts and all). It's about not trusting the institution, which honestly I do understand coming from someone who lives in the US.

I can understand it's about not trusting the whole institution, but not everyone there is like that. Lack of trust should stem from the main intention and not from some of its individuals' attitude. For example, if all the police officers were to eliminate (not imprison) all their opponents, then I wouldn't trust them at all.

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btw, use transexuality. The suffix -ism refers to illnesses and is reminiscent from the times it was considered as such, times we thankfully are past.

Sorry. I wasn't aware of that.
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I can understand it's about not trusting the whole institution, but not everyone there is like that.

Well, that is a given, which is why I don't agree with acab entirely, but I don't live in the US, so I choose to not intervene when people from there say that. Locally, I have a friend who recently joined the police, and she tells me about how people there aren't as bad as the bad apples make it seem to people from the outside. I could assume things are similar over the US, but racism and corruption are definitely very present in a rather explicit way, and from my experience, most people I know from the US who know cops personally don't see them exactly as role models for good people, unlike myself, so that's one reason for me to give them credit when they say they don't trust their cops.

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Lack of trust should stem from the main intention and not from some of its individuals' attitude.

Thing is, you cannot really tell someone to trust something. It is personal, and this one in particular is a very serious topic.

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My intention here is just to educate.
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Originally posted by KTB
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I mean honestly, being an officer you have so much power at your disposal that it's begging to be abused. Frankly I think the nation is in need of a new system or lots of reform, but I don't know what that is yet. So for the time being, they're a necessary evil.

Originally posted by 7 up
You're just generalizing. It's the same as saying 'gay people shouldn't have equal rights because they belong to the same group as pedophiles' or 'Russian people are drunk'. Same energy. You wouldn't like to get lynched for your transsexuality, would you?

It is a generalization but its one I'm comfortable making. Because here's the thing: I do genuinely believe that good cops exist (though I can't really say that without a lotta people jumping down my throat), but I can't make the case for them because most police officers are bad. While I don't think the majority of cops are the kind that would choke a black person to death for no reason, most are the kind that would stand by and do nothing, which is arguably way worse. And frankly, the ones that do speak out against it that I can see are the ones kneeling with protesters to make them feel safe and then proceed to shoot rubber bullets and tear gas them 45 minutes later. This shit literally happened here in my home town and its sickening.

Also literally no one with two brain cells to their name would lump the LGBT and pedophiles in the same group but I understand the point you were trying to make. I still disagree with you tho lol.
You should know the point I'm making is that non-heterosexuals are associated with pedophiles.

As for the police, it's just indirectly caused by decisions of unwise people. They could elect the most absurd candidate for presidence if they promised something treasured.

I can confirm it. People in my country elected the ruling party again for more money. Neglecting environmental problems, poor situation in health care, and changing education for worse aren't important. What matters in your life is money and more money. Really, a developed country doesn't only have to have high GDP. It must also have a high quality of public service. What else is important in life of many people here is tormenting your neighbor because if they have - for example - a brand new BMW 5 series, they must be a thief. It's almost always bullshit! What if they work really hard or simply have a lucrative employment?
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I think the most unfair about the police situation is the same what happens in, for example, journalism.

You have individuals in the workforce doing bad things, but they would never get punished for that. You would call them out for their lies, their arbitrary use of violence, that should normally be disciplined, but no, nothing happens.

Good workers in those realms are frowned upon and silenced when they try to actually do their job, while ill-intentioned workers have formed a sort of mafia that cannot be beaten using so-called justice.

A well-organised world has rules everyone follows. But when the powers in place allow themselves to be above the rules and do not get punished as their fellow citizens would, the sensation of frustration and insecurity is high.
Originally posted by Koopster
you cannot really tell someone to trust something. It is personal, and this one in particular is a very serious topic.

Didn't think of saying this in my previous post, but what I said doesn't mean you must trust the whole institution, but discrediting it solely for black sheep isn't reasonable in my opinion. Not asking to do so, but you can trust individuals you think do their job well there.
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It is worth discrediting the whole institution though. Why do these riot cops manage to get full riot gear with gas masks and all while hospitals are struggling to get by? The whole point of BLM is that police violence is an institutional problem, not a case by case one.
Originally posted by 7 up
Didn't think of saying this in my previous post, but what I said doesn't mean you must trust the whole institution, but discrediting it solely for black sheep isn't reasonable in my opinion. Not asking to do so, but you can trust individuals you think do their job well there.

Actually it is reasonable if you think about it. One cop that does a bad deed such as the one in the George Floyd case affects the image of the whole institution, and that's something they don't want. It is an institutional problem after all. Worth noting that the punishment is about the same as if someone that's not a cop commits such atrocities. I don't live in the US so I don't know if that's the case (but I disagree completely with acab).
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Not in favor of ACAB, either. I think an execution of a crime by some cop is even worse than in case of a regular citizen or even a recidivist. The police should set a good example, but if they abuse their power and stay unaffected, the law should be amended. If they're forced to break human rights, blame the regime on it.

As I've said before, populism fuels even the most absurd candidates for presidents. Wouldn't hurt if people who elect them took their time to read more about these candidates. That way, USA could have presidents who actually care about this problem. But who knows if the future president would draw a conclusion from these unfortunate events if he was absurd like Trump, though.

I don't live in the USA, either, so I don't know how it is exactly.
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