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Originally posted by Kipernal
Here's how it works, at least in my mind:

*image*

Make sense? Time did change, but only for the time traveler, not for us.

That diagram is very similar to the one from Back to the Future. Remember 1985A and all that stuff, split timelines? That's probably how it works. If it does exist, that is.
Originally posted by UmlautBanana
That diagram is very similar to the one from Back to the Future. Remember 1985A and all that stuff, split timelines? That's probably how it works. If it does exist, that is.


It's a bit different, though. According to this theory, when Marty went back in time from 2015 to 1985, he should have stayed in his proper time line, not the Biffified version (if he had gone to 1955 and then gone forward, however, he would have gone to the bad future). Similarly, the change he made to the future should almost certainly be nullified for him, since some incredibly minor change will happen (a.k.a. the Butterfly Effect) that would cause Marty to be on a different timeline than the one with the corrected future. I'll draw another diagram for you if you're confused (it's not the most straight-forward topic).
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No, I get it, I just haven't seen those movies in a while. Now that I think about it, your explanation makes a lot more sense than BttF's.
How would we know when someones from the future?
And if they did travel...im sure it was to change differences in thier lives.

If they changed something or prevented something horrible (9/11 for example)
They would return to their original time period...but in a different dimension with the result of what they changed
Using current events as a somewhat point of reference, lets say someone went back in time to prrvent 9/11. That would DRASTICALLY change the timeline, and if this had happened, in our current time, the towers wouldve already been standing, you see, because if they prevented it, it wouldnt have happened. But since in this timeline it Did happen, we know either 1) no one ever tried to stop it, or 2) they prevented it, but only for that timeline; (see kipernal diagram)
At least i think...
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What if time travel is possible, except that you cannot travel to before the machine was created and put into use? I don't believe that time travel is possible at all, especially since going back in time will add matter to one universe, and take away matter from another universe (Conservation of mass, of course). I'm just surprised that none of you even brought the possibility up.


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Time traveling will never exist for reasons OTHER THAN the fact that there is no proof (because, couldn't the person traveling through time never came to OUR exact time period? They could have gone further into the future).

I think of it this way: Time is a one-dimensional continuum, space is a three-dimensional continuum. Together, they are the space-time continuum , made up of 4 dimensions. Now, if you traveled through time, you'd only be traveling through that one dimension. If your only traveling through the dimension that belongs to the time continuum, then you're not traveling through the space continuum. Therefore, your matter would not appear anywhere if you used a time machine. And your matter is basiclly the only thing that belongs to you.

Now, there is a couple things that bypass my above statement. What if the machine transformed your matter into something compatible with the time contiuum? Well, how would you go about doing that? Time is non-tangible, and can't even accurately be recorded (we only use the time-telling we know because it's convinient anyway. It isn't a fact, because we made the idea up).

But really, it's not like time travel is even necassary anway. If I was given the chance to stop Hitler or 911 (as harsh as it may seem), I wouldn't. And that's because I think it'd be approriate to have some fear of the unknown.

Just my scientificly-influenced two cents.
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I think it did exsist at one point in the future but became useless. It became useless because it can only go back in time to the day it was made and can only go into the future as long as it's been around.
Ex: made in 2100. Still works 2150. It can only go between 2100 and 2150.

Why would you say it existed?
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I believe time travel to the past might not be possible. However, time travel to the future is definately possible, but probably to a certian extent. According to something I watched on the Discovery Channel with Stephen Hawking, the larger an object you're standing next to is, the faster time goes for you. I think it's the same principles as the whole "Go far away from earth, you only lived five years, ten years passed on Earth" theory.
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If somebody travels back in time and changes stuff, then I don't believe that the people who haven't traveled will have their memories altered. It'll act as if it's been done, and future will take a different turn. It could've already happened, and we'll never know.

For example, if somebody goes back in time to kill Hitler and then in the future everything is changed, the one guy who traveled back would be like "WHAT" (or whatever if the future is bad or something). But the rest of us will have not realized that Hitler wasn't supposed to be killed, and just go on with our lives, and Hitler being dead will have altered time.

I believe that this can happen right now with choices. If I choose to kill the bugs on my keyboard or not, whichever one I choose, both choices can drastically change the future.
Originally posted by mockingod
If somebody travels back in time and changes stuff, then I don't believe that the people who haven't traveled will have their memories altered. It'll act as if it's been done, and future will take a different turn. It could've already happened, and we'll never know.

So, basically, everyone but the guy who changed the past's memory is altered to think what they changed was a normal occurrence of history. Cool.
Actually Devann, I think I saw that too, it was quite interesting.
I'm pretty sure the reason they gave was that some kind of radiation would destroy the time machine as it's powered up, due to how that raiation works.
At least that's what I remember.
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Originally posted by Kipernal
Here's how it works, at least in my mind:

*stuff*

Make sense? Time did change, but only for the time traveler, not for us.

Actually, there IS a theory where every time anything in the universe is given a choice, the universe will split into an extra timeline where
one choice was made, and the one where the other choice is made could be happening subconsciously in that, and everything's mind. i.e., if I went back in time and killed, say, FuSoYa, before she made Lunar Magic, there would then be the new timelines where this website is not created, this website IS created due to Lunar Magic, and where this website is created due to someone else's handiwork.
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Maybe life and time-traveling is like a TAS.

It created and reused savestates a billion times, and who we are and what we're seeing is the finished result. This also goes in tandem with the whole predetermined fate thing, but who knows.
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Originally posted by BOBBEH

Actually, there IS a theory where every time anything in the universe is given a choice, the universe will split into an extra timeline where
one choice was made, and the one where the other choice is made could be happening subconsciously in that, and everything's mind. i.e., if I went back in time and killed, say, FuSoYa, before she made Lunar Magic, there would then be the new timelines where this website is not created, this website IS created due to Lunar Magic, and where this website is created due to someone else's handiwork.

That would mean there are basically an endless amount of timelines; because every second you do somthing; if done slightly different, could affect a million things.
You, what do you own the world? How do you own disorder, disorder?
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Originally posted by Mrgoomba909
Originally posted by BOBBEH

Actually, there IS a theory where every time anything in the universe is given a choice, the universe will split into an extra timeline where
one choice was made, and the one where the other choice is made could be happening subconsciously in that, and everything's mind. i.e., if I went back in time and killed, say, FuSoYa, before she made Lunar Magic, there would then be the new timelines where this website is not created, this website IS created due to Lunar Magic, and where this website is created due to someone else's handiwork.

That would mean there are basically an endless amount of timelines; because every second you do somthing; if done slightly different, could affect a million things.

yep
you do know there are millions of timelines and universes right?
I always liked Dr Who's Theory on time.

However realistically I think the split time line works best.
They demonstrated what time travel would be like in the third Harry Potter movie, so why are we having this great big discussion when we already know what it's like?
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