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Pronouns Becoming a Multi-Choice Option
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You'll remember last year we implemented a "pronuns" field into the post side bar, to allow other users to express their identity and to make it easier for other users to know how to refer to yourself. Since this has been implemented, we've been fairly strict on its usage. We took this route to as misuse of the field may be interpreted as a jab or mockery towards gender minorities. You may have noticed that we outlined all of this in the (now previous) rule B5.

Unfortunately, due to the misuse the field has received, we have taken the decision to turn the free text field into a multiple selection box with prefilled values. You can now select as your pronouns:

• -------- (default, i.e. empty, will not show Pronouns information at all)
• He/Him/His
• She/Her/Her
• They/Them/Their
• Any

You can select multiple values, if you wish to identify as more than one.


Current pronoun field values have been reset, so if you used them you'll need to select a new multichoice option.

We are fully aware that some may prefer to identify with something alternate. However, this list is what we have worked to up to this point when enforcing the (again, now previous) rule B5 on pronouns. There's been no other legitimate use of the field other than the above list as of right now.

If you do have a legitimate, serious request for a set of pronouns to be added into the field, that you intend to use yourself - we will happily hear you out, of course! Please forward requests to a forum moderator or an administrator.

Rule B5 has now been removed, and all consequent rules have been shifted down a number. This has been noted in the Site Rules Changelog thread.
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My only suggestion would be to change She/Her/Her to just She/Her. I know it's to be consistent with the other options but it just feels redundant to have the same 2 words in a row.

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I was thinking about what yoshiatom was saying, and I think that it’s actually supposed to be She/Her/Hers, because when someone who identifies as female has something, it’s “hers,” and not “her.”
Originally posted by quietmason
I was thinking about what yoshiatom was saying, and I think that it’s actually supposed to be She/Her/Hers, because when someone who identifies as female has something, it’s “hers,” and not “her.”

i'm pretty certain the third value is meant to be a possessive adjective, as in, "this is her book". else, the "they/them/their" option should be "they/them/theirs".

now that i think about it technically the third word is not even a pronoun but whatever lmao.
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Maxodex, I don't think that's correct. If you just google "she her hers" and "she her her" separately, "she her her" doesn't have really any hits. Also it should be they/them/theirs.

According to the NYC Department of Social Services:
Gender pronouns can look like and are not limited to:
- he/him/his (masculine pronouns)
- she/her/hers (feminine pronouns)
- they/them/theirs (neutral pronouns)

EDIT: Actually, the third word is a possessive pronoun.
Originally posted by quietmason
Maxodex, I don't think that's correct. If you just google "she her hers" and "she her her" separately, "she her her" doesn't have really any hits.

i know that. i'm saying that considering how the other options are presented (namely in the case of "they"), it was probably a deliberate choice to make it "her" (and "their") instead of "hers" (and "theirs") and not a mistake. i said this in my post because by the way you worded it originally, it sounded like you believed it to be a mistake; now i'm not exactly sure, perhaps you actually said "actually you guys are wrong" instead of "actually you guys probably made a typo".

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According to the NYC Department of Social Services:

i'm not from the u.s. so this is meaningless to me

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EDIT: Actually, the third word is a possessive pronoun.

currently it isn't.
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I see what you’re saying. It doesn’t matter that the source is from NYC, it’s just an example of how a pronoun series is supposed to go. All I’m saying is that irrespective of whether the drop down menus have two typos or are just not right, they’re incongruous with the typical form. When I said “Actually, the third word is a possessive pronoun,” I meant that the third word is supposed to be a possessive pronoun, per these and any other guidelines you might find.
oh yeah, good to clarify. and i agree it makes more sense the way you describe it (since as i mentioned earlier that way they all would be actual pronouns).
personally i'd just keep it at 2 words instead of 3, because it's easy enough to know what to use in that case. then again i don't even use the pronouns field so ultimately i don't really mind.
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Ah I understand what you were saying earlier now. Definitely agree that it’s not worth the trouble of having 3, especially if it needs this level of discussion #smrpg{haha}
I've always kinda wondered why it's a norm to list multiple pronouns, anyways. Are there cases where they can be ambiguous by only listing the first one? Or are there cases where someone, let's say, uses "He" as a pronoun, but does not use "Him/His" along with it? Or is this norm just to be more explicit?

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Originally posted by Maxodex
Originally posted by quietmason
I was thinking about what yoshiatom was saying, and I think that it’s actually supposed to be She/Her/Hers, because when someone who identifies as female has something, it’s “hers,” and not “her.”

i'm pretty certain the third value is meant to be a possessive adjective, as in, "this is her book". else, the "they/them/their" option should be "they/them/theirs".

now that i think about it technically the third word is not even a pronoun but whatever lmao.
Nah, you were right. It definitely is a real pronoun.

It's their book
It's a book of theirs
It's her book
It's a book of hers

English is weirder than you would realize as a native speaker. It gives you a million ways to say the same thing, even without different effect.

He is a staff member
He is a member of staff
Staff has him as a member
He has staff membership
He has membership in staff
Staff membership includes him
A staff member is him/he (yes, this is still proper, just really antiquated and probably wouldn't be used outside poetry, Shakespearian storytelling or Renaissance or pirate LARPing in modern use)

I have no issues with the current implementation of things and just want to share my bag of brain food (and maybe tempt people to figure out how to say this phrase in more ways.) I do like the simplicity suggested by RPG ninja hacker up there.

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"Withheld" or similar might be a valid non-user-specific addition. Since you could interpret empty as either "Indifferent", "Never Got Around To My Profile", or "Decline To Say". And "Decline To Say" usually means "Please Don't Guess". Being able to be explicit about that is just as helpful as "Any", imho. Different issue, same data field though.
Nice to see this is finally implemented.
Originally posted by RPG Hacker
I've always kinda wondered why it's a norm to list multiple pronouns, anyways. Are there cases where they can be ambiguous by only listing the first one? Or are there cases where someone, let's say, uses "He" as a pronoun, but does not use "Him/His" along with it? Or is this norm just to be more explicit?

I actually knew someone who unironically went by He/Her, or She/him, or something along those lines. I think it was in the name of gender fluidity and inclusivity.

Kind of a shame that some people were being an ass about it before, but eh. I'm glad the option is still there at least.
Originally posted by K.T.B.
I actually knew someone who unironically went by He/Her, or She/him, or something along those lines. I think it was in the name of gender fluidity and inclusivity.

Kind of a shame that some people were being an ass about it before, but eh. I'm glad the option is still there at least.


If anyone approaches us with a valid request like your example it will be discussed and again if valid added to the list. I don't know if said person is on this site or not but if they'd like that type of option have them just PM one of the forum mods/admins.
Originally posted by Runic_Rain
"Withheld" or similar might be a valid non-user-specific addition. Since you could interpret empty as either "Indifferent", "Never Got Around To My Profile", or "Decline To Say". And "Decline To Say" usually means "Please Don't Guess". Being able to be explicit about that is just as helpful as "Any", imho. Different issue, same data field though.

I raised this suggestion other with forum mods/staff. But ultimately it boiled down that in practice, a blank option OR a withheld option would (or at least, should - unless you know someone's gender as a dead cert) mean users that users would be referred to as "they" anyway. So, right now it's not something we're considering - but thank you for the suggestion.
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