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Zero Tolerance Approach to Harmful Beliefs and Discrimination
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Being overprotective over a certain group of people isn't the way to go.

Any kind of harassment is bad. period.


And banning people for how they behave outside smwcentral boundaries is kinda stupid.. some said stuff can be taken out of context easily.
Originally posted by NaroGugul
Being overprotective over a certain group of people isn't the way to go.


It isn't overprotection, when we need to make a rule about that, because some users don't behave well. It's necessary, sadly.

Originally posted by NaroGugul
Any kind of harassment is bad. period.


That's what we're saying in the rule, so I don't get your point. But you need to understand that some groups are more oppressed than the others, so they need even more attention. Nobody is saying to protect one group and ignore the another. lol.

Originally posted by Narogugul
And banning people for how they behave outside smwcentral boundaries is kinda stupid.. some said stuff can be taken out of context easily.


Originally posted by Tahixham
This doesn't mean we're going to be disabling accounts of users who may accidentally use a slur, without realising its true harm or meaning. In these kinds of instances where this kind of behaviour is carried out due to user ignorance/misinformation, we will do our best as a moderation team to educate these users on why this kind of behaviour could be seen as harmful to others.


also, I disagree a bit with you, @ lion. The translator made a mistake and got dogpilled in ResetEra by Kurt Kulata (discoalucard), from Hardcore Gaming 101, and other persons. He was even planning to change the word, until people made him quit of the internet for more than five months. Also, the last translation changed this word, mainly because Tom (the translator) wanted this drama to end. Kurt doesn't support the cause, he just is using of it because his patrons are LGBTQ+, but that's another story. I just don't think most people were fair with Retrotranslator. He's a nice guy.

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Changes are always a necessary thing, in behalf of respecting each other and the common sense of the human kind (I don't justify lack of common sense or decency saying "we're on the internet", sorry but that is stupid). Glad this thing has to be clarified, since it seems there are people who still believe they're living in 50's, and on the otherside, there are people who believe there are kinda 50% tolerance.
Originally posted by Alex_X8
and on the otherside, there are people who believe there are kinda 50% tolerance.

The concept of "venting about queerphobic injustice coming from cishet folk" mutating into "demonizing rando straight couples for the sake of it" is a big factor in biphobia, panphobia, as well as aphobia from queer youths. It's why I feel more at ease around much older folk (and also because I have daddy issues lol).

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Originally posted by lion
fuck yeah sockbat replica's getting nanned

calling out users like this isnt the most appropriate form of action, please dont do it.

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Originally posted by Romano338
So bullying is not allowed? But can bullying somewhere else be a problem here too, much like what happened with Dode?

The thing with Dode is that what he did was beyond straight up "bullying", so you can't really say a ban for offenses outside of the site is unwarranted. You should still avoid resorting to bullying and bigotry, as our purpose with the zero tolerance policy is to make the community as inclusive as possible and let respect prevail regardless of race and sexuality.

Originally posted by NaroGugul
And banning people for how they behave outside smwcentral boundaries is kinda stupid.. some said stuff can be taken out of context easily.

Contextless or not, do you feel like we need to allow bigotry or let people not give in to it?
Originally posted by NaroGugul
Being overprotective over a certain group of people isn't the way to go.

i argue here that its not a concept of over protection but more like appropriate protection. im terrible at analogies, but if two people go to a gas station and one person is from out-of-state they probably have to fill up their tanks with different amounts; but it would not be considered 'over filling.' people have different needs and experiences which is what inclusivity aims to address, i believe.

Originally posted by qantuum
To be honest I often feel shy to engage in topics different than smw hacking anyway, and I can't seem to make friends online all that easily.

This said, I came here to state I actually hope the line is drawn between active harrassment and/or insufferable bigotry, versus innocent joke; that there is room for trial and error.

I already have received soft warnings for using slur x or y in my self-deprecating jokes: jokes that targeted myself. It felt a bit arbitrary at that time. I've learned and am doing my best to not repeat the incidents. It isn't always obvious, though.


its stuff like this that i ""worry"" about. i've always found smwc to be overall very accepting of people. i am glad to share in a space where my gender/sexuality/race/etc have never once been an integral aspect of my identity BUT for people who do choose to identify, how some people cope, manage, or othrerwise address these ideas is too vague to blanketed under "zero tolerance". i guess i just have a semantic issue with the word choice. but from these posts of Anorakun and DeppySlide make me feel better thats its a zero tolerance against directfully hateful speech? i didnt see what that one guy posted. i think as someone who taught at liberal arts college i will, going forward, simply not reference any peoples in any way because, again, my role here is to enjoy with others a 25 yr old game.

another question tho: have (you) considered adding some kind of non-filtering post flag? like ninji protection that says like 'oh your post contains this or that word, are you sure you want to post that?'

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Originally posted by Katerpie

Contextless or not, do you feel like we need to allow bigotry or let people not give in to it?


Allow it on smwc? of course not. It shouldnt be allowed anywhere..

But what people do outside its none of smwc business.. Specially if its that kind of thing SomebodyToldXwhoToldYwhoToldZwhoToldMe


I think the 'awareness' role is laudable.. the zero tolerance approach is not.
Originally posted by NaroGugul
But what people do outside its none of smwc business.. Specially if its that kind of thing SomebodyToldXwhoToldYwhoToldZwhoToldMe

for the most part smwc doesnt involve itself in external affairs because, well, yeah its not fair for us to watch what everyones up to in their own time. that being said, external affairs that still affect either smwc or people who use smwc can be considered for action - such as svorass's twitch bullying of shovda was considered in his site ban here given they are both members of smwc and it tied to the community here

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Originally posted by Katerpie
Originally posted by Romano338
So bullying is not allowed? But can bullying somewhere else be a problem here too, much like what happened with Dode?

The thing with Dode is that what he did was beyond straight up "bullying", so you can't really say a ban for offenses outside of the site is unwarranted. You should still avoid resorting to bullying and bigotry, as our purpose with the zero tolerance policy is to make the community as inclusive as possible and let respect prevail regardless of race and sexuality.


I wasn't talking about Dode bullying, since he didn't. I was talking about the people who bullied Dode. I think the first thing to do with a rule like is to put a definition of bullying because apparently some people have no clue what it is. Hosting someone on twitch isn't bullying. Harrasding someone who did nothing until they quit their job is bullying.

Another problem is that in our society, minorities are allowed to bully majorities.

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Originally posted by Romano338

Another problem is that in our society, minorities are allowed to bully majorities.

I think there's a bit of misunderstanding in this sentence. In my eyes, it's more along the lines of minorities have to hold majorities accountable for the injustices they perpetuate.

Dode's behaviour wasn't exactly bullying, it's true; it was a pattern of harrassment and failure to stand up for minorities as a member of mostly majorities.
Originally posted by NaroGugul
Being overprotective over a certain group of people isn't the way to go.

That's easy to say when you're not part of a marginalized group that is regularly belittled and treated as less than for existing. I for one appreciate that the mods are stepping up to protect trans users like me or anyone else who's not a cis white dude. But do you I guess.

Originally posted by Romano
Another problem is that in our society, minorities are allowed to bully majorities.

I mean yeah we like to crack a lot of white people jokes but no one with two brain cells to their name is actively bullying "the majority" as it were. People take it as bullying because they don't wanna take accountability for their shitty actions.
Originally posted by Romano338
I wasn't talking about Dode bullying, since he didn't[...] Harrasding someone who did nothing until they quit their job is bullying.

telling someone they're fostering an unhealthy community & promoting bigots isn't bullying, it's asking for accountability. no one asked dode to stop streaming, he chose to rather than be accountable.

and, well, seeing as someone came out to say dode was inappropriate towards them personally following that situation, i'd wager perhaps dode did in fact "do the bullying".

Originally posted by Romano338
Another problem is that in our society, minorities are allowed to bully majorities.

things such as accountability, noting privilege, and asking for inclusivity are not forms of bullying.

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Originally posted by Romano338


Another problem is that in our society, minorities are allowed to bully majorities.


yep.. and thats a huge problem
because its a well known issue that minorities dont want justice/rights.. they want revenge

and thats what happens when you put minorities in charge.. just revenge

Originally posted by Samantha

That's easy to say when you're not part of a marginalized group that is regularly belittled and treated as less than for existing.


You are just assuming here..
I dont think its relevant in any way what kind of 'group' im part of.
I would prefer to be judged by myself rather than being associated with any sort of group
Originally posted by NaroGugul
Originally posted by Romano338


Another problem is that in our society, minorities are allowed to bully majorities.


yep.. and thats a huge problem
because its a well known issue that minorities dont want justice/rights.. they want revenge

and thats what happens when you put minorities in charge.. just revenge

This is such a disgusting way of thought I don't even know where to begin, like holy christ it's straight up neo-nazi rhetoric.

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i frankly didn't expect this many uninformed and ignorant comments regarding this announcement. it's always topics like these where ppl show their true colors.

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Originally posted by idol
i frankly didn't expect this many uninformed and ignorant comments regarding this announcement. it's always topics like these where ppl show their true colors.

I actually expected it considering people like the certain user I brought up that you justifiably scolded me for and also general, non-SMW romhacking is basically a lot of white cis male and spiteful nerds for the most part but like. zooweemama

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Originally posted by idol
i frankly didn't expect this many uninformed and ignorant comments regarding this announcement. it's always topics like these where ppl show their true colors.


see idol.. thats the problem with Zero Tolerance approaches

its full of 'assumptions'.. you can just assume anyone is any 'color' you want and do what you think its right for the community. How wrong that can be?!


btw, and because you guys are talking about it.. I didnt wanted to ask about the Dode issue.. because i really dont know what really happenned and neither care..
But wasnt him banned because of some personal issue with moni? (which i dont think shes even a member of smwc / havent contributed with the website in any way).. I mean, its a personal issue between him and her.. its no one elses business.. banning him (if its just because of that) is just some act of 'revenge-compassion' for moni. I dont see how any of that has any influence about him and the website.. but you know, somehow it influenced
for something you just said you don't know anything about, you've sure made up your mind on what you think about it.

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