Zero Tolerance Approach to Harmful Beliefs and Discrimination - Announcements

Originally posted by idol

for something you just said you don't know anything about, you've sure made up your mind on what you think about it.

im sorry.. i probably forgot to put some question marks.

Im legit questioning. I think it would be good if we, who are not on pair with the situation, had any sort of clarification.

All i know is he is friend/hosted some streamers. and the Moni thing. None of that should result in ban.. but who knows..

I understand if you dont want to talk about it. But would be nice to know, since apparently was something related to that what started it all, and eventually lead to this announcement.

If I can drop in like two cents here, I just want everyone to get along- I don't want anyone to be severely advantaged or disadvantaged here. Leaning too much in one way or another could be risky, in my opinion.

I don't have much knowledge on this matter so i'll stay out of this for the rest. I hope this can be resolved peacefully.

Originally posted by NaroGugul

yep.. and thats a huge problem
because its a well known issue that minorities dont want justice/rights.. they want revenge

and thats what happens when you put minorities in charge.. just revenge

You are just assuming here..
I dont think its relevant in any way what kind of 'group' im part of.
I would prefer to be judged by myself rather than being associated with any sort of group

Look whether you like it or not, the times change, it's 2020 and people who have been marginalized in the past are finally getting a voice. A good amount of our userbase and staff team fall into the PoC and LGBT boats and this zero tolerance thread was made to ensure that those people feel safe in a community they love and care about. As a person of color, an atheist and bisexual I can tell you I get crap flung at me on a regular basis. It's the last thing I want in any community I join else I would leave. Your notion on "they just want revenge" is absolutely absurd.

I think a post layout goes here somewhere...

fist of all i wanna say i'm very happy to see this zero tolerance policy being put in place like in many other communities— lots of shitty people nowadays are shifting their rhetoric with minorities gradually being more able to denounce oppression, and way too often these weasels resort to "nyeeeeeh that was just a jooooke" or "i'm not saying i want this group of people gone forever, just that they may become dangerous :^)", which is so f*cking infuriating.

Originally posted by NaroGugul

Originally posted by Romano338

Another problem is that in our society, minorities are allowed to bully majorities.

yep.. and thats a huge problem
because its a well known issue that minorities dont want justice/rights.. they want revenge

and thats what happens when you put minorities in charge.. just revenge

the people in this quote 👉

Originally posted by Minuy600

If I can drop in like two cents here, I just want everyone to get along- I don't want anyone to be severely advantaged or disadvantaged here. Leaning too much in one way or another could be risky, in my opinion.

I don't have much knowledge on this matter so i'll stay out of this for the rest. I hope this can be resolved peacefully.

yeah but uuuuh let's just say it's hard to satisfy both sides when some people literally want others to either stop existing / have their identity invalidated / keep systems that oppress them running smoothly
as the saying goes, half a kitten is not half as cute, it's a bloody mess

Originally posted by Naro

You are just assuming here..
I dont think its relevant in any way what kind of 'group' im part of.
I would prefer to be judged by myself rather than being associated with any sort of group

This is gonna go in one ear and out the other but yes it is relevant. If you grow up white and male you're significantly less at risk for discrimination, street harassment, hate crimes, sexual assault, you name it. When I identified as a man I had all of these privileges and I took them for granted, but when I came to terms with who I really am it made me realize how ignorant most people are about these issues, including you it seems.

Originally posted by Naro

yep.. and thats a huge problem
because its a well known issue that minorities dont want justice/rights.. they want revenge

and thats what happens when you put minorities in charge.. just revenge

As a trans person I don't have energy to waste on enacting revenge on transphobes, I'd rather they wither away in private. Instead I just want to be treated like a normal person because that's literally what I am, I just happen to have been born in the wrong body.

Sometimes I wonder who raised yall.

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Originally posted by Mathos

yeah but uuuuh let's just say it's hard to satisfy both sides when some people literally want others to either stop existing / have their identity invalidated / keep systems that oppress them running smoothly
as the saying goes, half a kitten is not half as cute, it's a bloody mess

That makes perfect sense to me. I hope there's gonna be a way that those shameful things will be put to rest once and for all without it becoming like, how do I explain it? I find that hard to do without sounding like a hypocrite. Gosh. I want all of us to be treated equally, in positive in negative terms? No that also sounds rather rude. Hmm.

As someone with a very, VERY strong sense of justice, I'm so glad you guys adopted this policy. One question though, does this also protect people who have a certain disability that is a part of them (whether it's physical or mental), like autism or asperger's for example?

Being as I have asperger's, I'm hoping this policy protects every autistic person here. I'd be heartbroken and angry if I or someone else was a target of discrimination all because of being autistic or having some other disability.

So yeah, thanks for adapting this policy SMWCentral. Hope this will make the site better.

Originally posted by Minuy

That makes perfect sense to me. I hope there's gonna be a way that those shameful things will be put to rest once and for all without it becoming like, how do I explain it? I find that hard to do without sounding like a hypocrite. Gosh. I want all of us to be treated equally, in positive in negative terms? No that also sounds rather rude. Hmm.

I'm really not sure what to make of this but like, minorities can't really coexist with bigots at this point. Personally I'm sick of living in a society that values drywall more than black people, I really don't give a shit how Trump supporters and Nazi's feel.

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Originally posted by Knight of Time

One question though, does this also protect people who have a certain disability that is a part of them (whether it's physical or mental), like autism or asperger's for example?

Absolutely, ableism is also a major part of these rules. We will not abide by content that alienates others for their physical/mental ability.

Originally posted by lion

The concept of "venting about queerphobic injustice coming from cishet folk" mutating into "demonizing rando straight couples for the sake of it" is a big factor in biphobia, panphobia, as well as aphobia from queer youths. It's why I feel more at ease around much older folk (and also because I have daddy issues lol).

My brain is having trouble parsing this text for some reason (as in I don't understand what's being said). Could you explain it a bit more?

Originally posted by Samantha

I'm really not sure what to make of this but like, minorities can't really coexist with bigots at this point. Personally I'm sick of living in a society that values drywall more than black people, I really don't give a shit how Trump supporters and Nazi's feel.

Excuse me, that's not really what I meant. I don't quite know how to word myself properly here, but let it be clear i'm against bigotry, transphobia, homophobia, racism, so on and so forth. That has absolutely no place in this society and is disgusting to the point where I got myself genuinely worked up over an incident during a soccer match on TV last week.

I guess the better way to put it is that I hope we can improve society so much we can start treating everyone as if they're not an oddity, they're just normal people that deserve both praise and criticism for what they do? Is that a good way to put it?

Yeah that's a better way to put it. I wasn't really sure what to take away from your earlier post coz on the outside it could be interpreted a few different ways.

EDIT because I don't think making a new post is necessary:

Originally posted by leictreon

I want your respect, not your pity

This is basically how we all feel.

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At this point I'm not surprised. I'll speak as a "minority" and say that I want your respect, not your pity, but eh, I'll just leave it as that.

i just lurk sometimes

Originally posted by Minuy600

I guess the better way to put it is that I hope we can improve society so much we can start treating everyone as if they're not an oddity, they're just normal people that deserve both praise and criticism for what they do? Is that a good way to put it?

I think what you're talking about is treating "equality" as though it is the status quo? I agree that, in an ideal world, that's the way it would be, but we're just not there yet sadly. Pretty much just what Samantha said, honestly - institutional bigotry towards minorities is still a massive problem, and it's clear by now that these problems won't just go away on their own.

A decent first step is having policies like this put into writing, because it makes it especially clear how harmful attitudes are like some of the ones that have been expressed in this very thread.

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Originally posted by K.T.B.

I think what you're talking about is treating "equality" as though it is the status quo? I agree that, in an ideal world, that's the way it would be, but we're just not there yet sadly. Pretty much just what Samantha said, honestly - institutional bigotry towards minorities is still a massive problem, and it's clear by now that these problems won't just go away on their own.

A decent first step is having policies like this put into writing, because it makes it especially clear how harmful attitudes are like some of the ones that have been expressed in this very thread.

That's a perfect way to put it, thank you. I hope we can all work together to make the status quo a reality... i'm afraid that might be something for the next generation to fully realise though. We're doing quite well in making steps forwards- now for our children to capitalise!

My guy you're so close to getting it.

Originally posted by Minuy

i'm afraid that might be something for the next generation to fully realise though. We're doing quite well in making steps forwards- now for our children to capitalise!

We're honestly not even that deep into the fight yet. There's so much work to be done and a lot of the progress that occurred happened because BLM became trendy among white people and once Biden is sworn in many of those people are likely going to dip and leave everyone else hanging. This isn't something to pass off to the kids, this is a fight everyone needs to take part in.

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Originally posted by Samantha

My guy you're so close to getting it.

Originally posted by Minuy

i'm afraid that might be something for the next generation to fully realise though. We're doing quite well in making steps forwards- now for our children to capitalise!

We're honestly not even that deep into the fight yet. There's so much work to be done and a lot of the progress that occurred happened because BLM became trendy among white people and once Biden is sworn in many of those people are likely going to dip and leave everyone else hanging. This isn't something to pass off to the kids, this is a fight everyone needs to take part in.

Oh my gosh, it did come across as if I meant that, didn't it? Pff. My grasp of the English language isn't as optimal as I want it to be.

I'll keep doing my best to ensure all of you get the respect and love possible. I want that, I really do.

Originally posted by Slash Man

Look whether you like it or not.........

Originally posted by Samantha

how ignorant most people are about these issues, including you it seems.

Again you guys are just assuming stuff.

But i dont think each ones personal lives is relevant to anyone other than to themselves, and maybe (big maybe) their close friends or family.

If i were to say anything about me, im sure some of your arguments would change in a heartbeat.. but attaching anyone to any group is the worst thing you can do. And I sure dont want any kind of attachment.

I just hope none of my personal choices (granted when im not doing anything intrinsically bad to anyone else) come in to play if i were to be judged.. neither if this 'judgement' favors me

Originally posted by Naro

Again you guys are just assuming stuff.

We're literally reacting to things you say. Its not an assumption, you just don't want to take responsibility.

Originally posted by Naro

But i dont think each ones personal lives is relevant to anyone other than to themselves, and maybe (big maybe) their close friends or family.

It may not feel that way when you aren't subjected to the kind of bigotry and societal mistreatment minorities have to deal with. No one wants you to feel bad for having that privilege, just acknowledge it exists.

Originally posted by Naro

If i were to say anything about me, im sure some of your arguments would change in a heartbeat..

Don't hold your breath.

Originally posted by Naro

but attaching anyone to any group is the worst thing you can do. And I sure dont want any kind of attachment.

Its worse than being harassed in the street because you look a certain way? Its worse than being called nasty slurs in real life and on social media? Its worse than being assaulted? Grow up.

Originally posted by Naro

I just hope none of my personal choices (granted when im not doing anything intrinsically bad to anyone else) come in to play if i were to be judged.. neither if this 'judgement' favors me

Just say you don't want to be held accountable for the things you say.

Also you're not responding to the core points I or Slash Man have made so this entire post is just you outing yourself as ignorant lmao.

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Originally posted by NaroGugul

If i were to say anything about me, im sure some of your arguments would change in a heartbeat.. but attaching anyone to any group is the worst thing you can do. And I sure dont want any kind of attachment.

This claim sounds rather weird when you just did so yourself on your latest post :

Originally posted by NaroGugul

yep.. and thats a huge problem
because its a well known issue that minorities dont want justice/rights.. they want revenge

and thats what happens when you put minorities in charge.. just revenge