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First of all, the problem isn't that the user was given a warning, the problem is that me calling out his gross comments shouldn't have been deemed dramatic or extra. Like I said, could have left a few choice words out, but me calling out the user for SEXUALIZING ME isn't unreasonably.

But you did call him out. Twice. There was never an issue with this. The problem arised when you specifically came back half an hour later to further shit on the user that you had already called out, to which I told you not to because it was absolutely unnecessary.

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But more importantly I'm shocked that the staff claim to be trying to create a safe environment for LGBT users while simultaneously not listening to them (me in this case) when they explain why something is transphobic. Someone even stood up for me and called the behavior bigoted and one of the staff responded with "bigoted" in quotes. That's pretty callous if you ask me, and doesn't reflect a team that cares about whether or not their users feel safe if it clashes with THEIR views and opinions.

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Its not your place to tell me or any other LGBT people how we should react to being sexualized, dehumanized, or treated poorly in any other way. If you actually cared about LGBT people, you would listen to what we have to say instead of talking over us and stating your own uninformed opinions.

But I did want to listen to you, which is why after I claimed it wasn't transphobic and you did, I specifically asked you, legitimately, to tell me why so I could learn, and when your first response left me on the same page, I wanted you to elaborate further, at which point you said something else and you then immediatly left the server.

By the way, this is the "bigoted in quotes" part, in case anyone's wondering. The user that Samantha is victim of made an incredibly insensitive comment, but calling it bigotry is super far fetched. Y'all can see it for yourselves in the Discord server, I'm not showing an image as it may potentially contain info that Samantha most certainly wouldn't want someone to just be public in the forums.

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If the staff genuinely want to "fix" this, allow people to defend themselves. When someone is being blatantly gross or creepy, don't feel required to be polite, call it out. You don't have to be insulting but stop being so passive.

Even if the staff did do this, which I don't think they will, it wouldn't affect my decision to leave. My departure from SMWC has honestly been a long time coming and this was just the final straw for me.

Ain't that exactly what staff did? Being firm when calling out a user for something bad they did and not exploding on them are not mutually exclusive concepts.

In case it wasn't clear enough by now, the issue was not that you called the user out as you in fact had already done it twice already, and being disgusted/offended by his comments is completely justified and expected. The issue was that after departing from the server you specifically came back to further shit on the user that had already been called out, by you, me, another staff member and a fourth user.

By the way, nobody, not even the user who defended you from the very start during all of this, initially thought the person who offended you did something that upset you to this degree, given how you laughed it off and followed his messages up with more, apparent, friendly conversation. I KNOW YOU LATER SAID, that it was essentially a reactionary defense mechanism to react like that because of how uncomfortable it made you feel, but nobody on this site is a mind reader and nobody could have possibly noticed the comment upset you to this degree, because you literally showed no sign of it.

Again, one more time, nobody in staff told you off for calling the user out, the reason you were told off is because you were being extremely hostile while doing it and what I told you was not to stoop to insults, not to be okay with what he said, because the issue was already handled and because flaming is not allowed. Nothing more, nothing less. But you chose to take "it is unnecessary to continue insulting the user who has already been warned" as if I had told you "you can't be upset about what he said to you because otherwise you're the bad guy now".
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Originally posted by Maxodex
Snipped for brevity


Honestly from what I can understand, it feels like you're completely misinterpreting the time gap in how things transpired. Strange how you still chose to send that post unaltered even after KTB's post, which puts things better than I ever could.

All the staff members involved will only be digging their own graves by trying to weasel out of being held accountable/attempting justifying their screw ups after the aforementioned post.
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Maxo, what the hell do you think you're doing? The start of the post alone shows Samantha doing exactly what any human being would do if they're being marginalised. She's a HUMAN BEING and you just refuse to realise that.

Seriously what is it with websites having staff members thinking it's okay to misbehave as long as you post a completely robotic and inflammable comment afterwards? If you wanted to solve this properly, you should never ever ever act like you're the better man in this.
Originally posted by LucasRCD
Honestly from what I can understand, it feels like you're completely misinterpreting the time gap in how things transpired. Strange how you still chose to send that post unaltered even after KTB's post, which puts things better than I ever could.

How is anything that I posted misinterpreting the time gap? You can see it for yourself in the Discord server, I didn't post anything in an order that could recontextualize something to be interpreted differently.

Originally posted by Minuy600
Maxo, what the hell do you think you're doing? The start of the post alone shows Samantha doing exactly what any human being would do if they're being marginalised. She's a HUMAN BEING and you just refuse to realise that.

I never said she was wrong for standing up for herself, I said she was told off for lashing out after the issue had been dealt with.

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Seriously what is it with websites having staff members thinking it's okay to misbehave as long as you post a completely robotic and inflammable comment afterwards? If you wanted to solve this properly, you should never ever ever act like you're the better man in this.

But it isn't okay? I think I showed that the offending user was told off several times and got a warning. Unless you're referring to something else.
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Originally posted by Maxodex

But it isn't okay? I think I showed that the offending user was told off several times and got a warning. Unless you're referring to something else.


I don't think it's okay that it only happened after a lengthy period, and especially since Samantha was at least partially blamed earlier for calling out something that was quite offensive for a reality corner comment. And as K.T.B. has said, the offending user realised they were wrong and apologised later- I think that should've been enough.

You can still solve this in my eyes. One thing I always felt you guys should do is backtrack on mistakes in handling situations and this is the ideal moment to do so in my opinion. Otherwise we'll just do the whole robotic shutdown again and you'd have succesfully chased away several of the most active and passionate members of the community.
Originally posted by Minuy600
I don't think it's okay that it only happened after a lengthy period, and especially since Samantha was at least partially blamed for calling out something that was quite offensive for a reality corner comment.

The user was told off and warned before the point where Samantha lashed out at them and I told her not to, not after.
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Originally posted by Maxodex
The user was told off and warned before the point where Samantha lashed out at them and I told her not to, not after.


It was another, worse, offense though. Posting something in a transphobic subreddit deserves to also be called out, and correct me if i'm wrong, but would Samantha even have read the warning the person was given? You can't shut someone down who's not in the know just like that. This all could've been handled much better.
Originally posted by Maxodex
How is anything that I posted misinterpreting the time gap? You can see it for yourself in the Discord server, I didn't post anything in an order that could recontextualize something to be interpreted differently.

I was referring to the whole time gap between her leaving and coming back. She found out hours later what that subreddit was actually about, then rightfully came back to call out the user who said they were gonna post it to. It's still on the same topic but with a different focus point, if that makes any sense.

You seem to interpret that as "coming back just to shit on the user" or so, and nothing else. As if it came out of left field. I can't tell if this whole thing is a matter of incompetence or a matter of those involved not reading the room properly, all I know is that reading it all is frustrating in a way I can't explain. You could've handled this far better; you don't want to admit that you handled it less than optimally.

Originally posted by Minuy600
and correct me if i'm wrong, but would Samantha even have read the warning the person was given

Also yeah, unless you're a weirdo like me who checks the ban/warning log thread every two weeks to see who are the latest ones in the hall of shame, most aren't likely to see that it exists or even has been updated; a fault of the fact that edits don't have their own notice similar to new posts. Maybe that's something I should put up as a suggestion, but I digress.
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Originally posted by Minuy600
It was another, worse, offense though. Posting something in a transphobic subreddit deserves to also be called out, and correct me if i'm wrong, but would Samantha even have read the warning the person was given?

She could, because it was made in public, as I already showed in my first post.
The reddit is not transphobic, it's pro trans people, but the issue is that is meant to be a more meme/shitpost focused one, and Samantha shared something that she wanted to be taken seriously, so Kiwi asking if they could post the conversation there was seen as extremely insulting (on top of the other comments they made to her).

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You seem to interpret that as "coming back just to shit on the user" or so, and nothing else. As if it came out of left field. I can't tell if this whole thing is a matter of incompetence or a matter of those involved not reading the room properly, all I know is that reading it all is frustrating in a way I can't explain. You could've handled this far better; you don't want to admit that you handled it less than optimally.

What I told her was to knock the aggressiveness off. Perhaps I could've been more relaxed to tell her not to stoop down to insults, yeah. But the aim was always for her not to accidentally turn the channel into a flamewar.
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Originally posted by Maxodex
What I told her was to knock the aggressiveness off. Perhaps I could've been more relaxed to tell her not to stoop down to insults, yeah. But the aim was always for her not to accidentally turn the channel into a flamewar.


To round my contribution off for now since to be honest I may not have full knowledge of every little detail...

I don't know if you know but avoiding a flamewar regarding Kiwi can lead to another one that berates the actual victim of this all, you know? It seems nonsensical to quit her from being upset when she has all the right to be, that sounds like unneccesarily censoring your and Kiwi's mistakes to me.
Originally posted by Minuy600
I don't know if you know but avoiding a flamewar regarding Kiwi can lead to another one that berates the actual victim of this all, you know? It seems nonsensical to quit her from being upset when she has all the right to be, that sounds like unneccesarily censoring your and Kiwi's mistakes to me.

She has every right to be upset (as I stated many, many times in my first post...), because Kiwi's actions were not acceptable and I think we can all agree on that. Once again, the idea was to prevent her from spiraling down into insults towards the user in the channel... because there are rules against flaming. Kiwi's offense might have been a lot worse, but that doesn't automatically give Samantha a temporal free pass. A bit more leniency given the circumstances, sure, but not a complete free pass. One last time, nobody ever wanted to tell Samantha she couldn't be upset.
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Originally posted by Maxodex
The problem arised when you specifically came back half an hour later to further shit on the user that you had already called out, to which I told you not to because it was absolutely unnecessary.

I don't think you were in place to have that tone in the way you told her off. You can't possibly understand the severity of what Samantha felt in that situation. I did pass by the channel when it was happened, I saw him talk about the Reddit and did not understand what was going on, but she did not look comfortable in the slightest.

In summary, from what I see this comes down to a tone issue. It would've been okay to tell Samantha to not bring up insults in that tone publicly - you're supposed to keep the channel's well being after all -, but telling her she's excessively agressive is what you were not in place of doing. She was hurt and in the right of lashing him out, maybe not there, but she was.

I know what it's like to be guided by passion in a situation where you think you're right and you have the power to do something, I'm there all the time... I just think you were severely mistaken in thinking you were right at this time. There was no place for passion in telling Samantha off.

"Oh why did she not just lash away at him right away then?" That's not how a person being harassed tends to work.

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Originally posted by Maxodex
She has every right to be upset (as I stated many, many times in my first post...), because Kiwi's actions were not acceptable and I think we can all agree on that. Once again, the idea was to prevent her from spiraling down into insults towards the user in the channel... because there are rules against flaming. Kiwi's offense might have been a lot worse, but that doesn't automatically give Samantha a temporal free pass. A bit more leniency given the circumstances, sure, but not a complete free pass. One last time, nobody ever wanted to tell Samantha she couldn't be upset.


Then I just think you could've been more emotionally tolerant and allowed her to rant elsewhere. Continous public insulting may go too far, I agree, however I think it could've stopped much earlier if she had somewhere to go with this.

I don't think she trusted the staff enough to talk to them about it, rightfully so. There should've been more support and understanding from the get go with this. I don't get the idea of HAVING to play by the rules so much. As K.T.B. stated, this isn't a company.
Yo Maxodex this does not help prove your point my guy it just makes you look worse.
Ugh I accidentally clicked something and it erased my entire post I spent close to 20 minutes writing with no way to get it back hhhhhhhhhhhhh, and I got ninja'd THRICE in the process


But in short, you guys should take this whole thing as a learning experience, as moderators. To think you did nothing wrong in this situation is naive. Try and be more sensible with what you say and how you go about calming people down. You should be a slight bit more lenient in such circumstances in that regard, yeah, otherwise you risk things backfiring and escalating further.

Putting some more time and thought into what you're gonna say can avoid future incidents like these, these are delicate circumstances where the wrong words can spark off something far worse, and this could've been evaded entirely if you had went about it without making it seem like you're putting the blame on the victim. A lot it came off more in bad faith than you intended as a result.
I play forum games and draw furries. I'm mostly active on Discord and Twitter.

I have a feeling my words will fall on deaf ears, at least some of the users out there.

Samantha was well within her right to be mad, upset, embarrassed, disrespected and any other words you want to throw in there. Sexualizing someone's transition and happiness is disgusting. You don't share photos of a vacation so people can sexualize them. You don't share life stories in hopes someone will turn them sexual either, it's just not right.
Now I was more or less asleep when this went down, we saw the comments about growing boobs but here's why we didn't initially react to it.

1) Samantha you seemed to go along with it and even laughed (at least put lmao) at the first Booba comment.
2) We aren't mind readers, while yes this was on our radar for being disrespectful, you weren't showing being uncomfortable so we as a team stepped back a bit.
3) Once the reddit thing was brought up that was a tipping point which is why Maxodex called out the user, that was why Danny posted because fucking using someone's happiness for karma.

This really should of been the end of it, call out the ignorance and DM a staff member so we can dish out a punishment, talk to us, we want users to bring issues to us.

The part where you came back more then two hours later to continue was where a different line got crossed. At this point the user in question should of well known that what they did was stupid and disrespectful, educating them on the reddit choice would of been fine but the attack wasn't and that's where the issue is.
While the server may not meet your standards on calling users out or punishing users we also discuss actions and try and reach out to understand if the user even understood what they posted, you should know this after seeing the inner workings. We can't just ban every person for saying some off color comment when they may not even understand that what they said is uncouth.

The main point here, Samantha is well within her right to up upset, Kiwi said something disrespectful and was called out/punished, the convo should of ended there. We don't want insult wars going on or having a single sided insult storm where one user is throwing shade while the other is sitting there taking it. Could it have been handled better? probably. We are human we are not perfect.
Originally posted by JupiHornet
Originally posted by Samantha
EDIT 2: This is just a way for the staff to silence users calling out problematic behavior on the part of the staff. I'm not doing this for attention, I'm genuinely frustrated and think the community deserves to be privy to this kind of insensitivity.

Alright, so I said everything I really wanted to about this in the Discord server and I don't care to repeat it here (long story short, I'm on Samantha's side), but I will say this much: look Danny, I argued with you and Maxodex about this for around an hour and you waited until only a few minutes after I said I was leaving the conversation to say this? I genuinely find that insulting. Not only are you implying that I brought up my concerns just for attention or to start drama by calling it "making a public display", but this has the same vibe as when teachers make "announcements" to the whole class when you can clearly tell they're mainly talking directly to you.

I want to apologize for the poor timing of when this was posted and I completely understand the misconceptions here, I'll definitely take the fall for the lack of judgment. I want to clarify that this post had been written previously and we wanted to wait for the ongoing conversation to die down before it was posted, which it almost was at one point, but the conversation picked back up again. It was not meant in any way to seem like a slight towards anyone in particular, and there were no ill intentions involved. I'm sorry for picking a bad time to post that, that's on me.

That being said, it was also not a hard rule to prevent people from having public discourse, as I tried and failed to say in #reality-corner. In no way are we stopping people from talking about things publicly, we are not censoring anyone, and we are not singling anyone out, it's merely a reminder that the best course of action that you can take regarding situations like those is to bring it up with a staff member so that it comes to our attention immediately and so it can be handled appropriately and efficiently. Public discourse is fine, people are welcome to talk about whatever they want, but it becomes increasingly harder to keep track of things and set records straight when there are multiple people (users and staff) stumbling over each other in a conversation. I think that it's completely valid for people to be called out for bad behavior, and Samantha was definitely well within her rights to be frustrated and angry at ModernKiwi's comments, but at the same time we have rules and guidelines to uphold, and we can't allow people to resort to insults no matter how much they or others think it might be deserved on an emotional basis. I can personally understand those sentiments, but we still aim for civility in our conversations.


Originally posted by Samantha
But more importantly I'm shocked that the staff claim to be trying to create a safe environment for LGBT users while simultaneously not listening to them (me in this case) when they explain why something is transphobic. Someone even stood up for me and called the behavior bigoted and one of the staff responded with "bigoted" in quotes. That's pretty callous if you ask me, and doesn't reflect a team that cares about whether or not their users feel safe if it clashes with THEIR views and opinions. Even if not every staff member feels that way, refusing to call it out reflects on YOU.

EDIT: Worth noting the staff are also putting words in my mouth. I don't hate the entire community, but if a staff member gaslights me and the others say nothing, then that kinda has some not so good implications about the other staff.

I would like to apologize myself for not having stepped up to the plate during the conversation that took place in #reality-corner, but I was not cognizant of what was going on and was preoccupied in several different places while also balancing an ongoing discussion in our staff channels. Maybe it's not a good excuse, but it's all I've got, and the best I can really say is that I don't really agree with much of what Maxo said and expressed in the channel, and I can't stress enough that he does not speak for the rest of the staff team. I know this is going to be a drop in the ocean, but this is something we're actively discussing behind the scenes, and I just want to make it known that everything being said here is being taken into consideration and discussed thoroughly.

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Originally posted by Maxodex
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I'm honestly not even gonna dignify anything you've said with a serious response. You've always had it out for me and you always gaslight me into feeling bad when I call it out, so there's no point in me trying to reason with you when you're never gonna understand. You've always made me feel unwelcome and I'm tired of pretending you haven't.


Originally posted by Ninja Boy
1) Samantha you seemed to go along with it and even laughed (at least put lmao) at the first Booba comment.
2) We aren't mind readers, while yes this was on our radar for being disrespectful, you weren't showing being uncomfortable so we as a team stepped back a bit.

I'll admit that I should have said it was gross the moment it happened, but what you need to understand is that a lot of us trans folk are conditioned to keep our mouths shut when stuff like this happens. In the past I've usually been grossly disrespected in the workplace and I can't talk back or else I'd get fired. It's something I'm trying to get out of the habit of doing, but I see why it would be really confusing.


Originally posted by Ninja Boy
The part where you came back more then two hours later to continue was where a different line got crossed. At this point the user in question should of well known that what they did was stupid and disrespectful, educating them on the reddit choice would of been fine but the attack wasn't and that's where the issue is.

I'll say it again, minus a few choice words I don't really think it was an attack. Personally I'd call it self defense.


Originally posted by Ninja Boy
While the server may not meet your standards on calling users out or punishing users we also discuss actions and try and reach out to understand if the user even understood what they posted, you should know this after seeing the inner workings. We can't just ban every person for saying some off color comment when they may not even understand that what they said is uncouth.

I'm not asking the staff to ban people for stuff like this, but rather than politely saying "hey there you broke rule A# so please don't do that" just fucking call it out for what it is and say "Hey ModernKiwi that was really creepy and gross." As staff members yall need to make it clear where you stand on stuff like this, cut out this "professionalism" shit and just call stuff out for what it is.


Originally posted by Danny
I want to apologize for the poor timing of when this was posted and I completely understand the misconceptions here, I'll definitely take the fall for the lack of judgment. I want to clarify that this post had been written previously and we wanted to wait for the ongoing conversation to die down before it was posted, which it almost was at one point, but the conversation picked back up again. It was not meant in any way to seem like a slight towards anyone in particular, and there were no ill intentions involved. I'm sorry for picking a bad time to post that, that's on me.

I'm really tired of you being performative Danny. You shouldn't be apologizing for "bad timing," you should be apologizing for creating an environment where people don't feel comfortable speaking up when staff do and say questionable things. Every time I or someone else has taken you to task you immediately try to spin it around at us and say "Wha-Where are are these ACCUSATIONS coming from? How DARE you accuse me of doing such a thing?!!" Its really stupid because everyone can look at discord logs and see that you regularly try to stamp out opposing viewpoints. You don't actually care to engage with the issues brought to you, you just wanna maintain an image (which many of us see through by the way).


Originally posted by Danny
That being said, it was also not a hard rule to prevent people from having public discourse, as I tried and failed to say in #reality-corner. In no way are we stopping people from talking about things publicly, we are not censoring anyone, and we are not singling anyone out, it's merely a reminder that the best course of action that you can take regarding situations like those is to bring it up with a staff member so that it comes to our attention immediately and so it can be handled appropriately and efficiently. Public discourse is fine, people are welcome to talk about whatever they want, but it becomes increasingly harder to keep track of things and set records straight when there are multiple people (users and staff) stumbling over each other in a conversation. I think that it's completely valid for people to be called out for bad behavior, and Samantha was definitely well within her rights to be frustrated and angry at ModernKiwi's comments, but at the same time we have rules and guidelines to uphold, and we can't allow people to resort to insults no matter how much they or others think it might be deserved on an emotional basis. I can personally understand those sentiments, but we still aim for civility in our conversations.

Omg cry some more about T H E R U L E S.
I get that you guys have a system you wanna maintain but I don't think its fair to expect people to just come to the mods when something happens to them. They should be allowed to make the user who dehumanized them feel bad for doing it (within reason, you can do this without insults), because as I've stated a million times, that's the only way people will change. The way you handled this situation is very suspicious, you've historically been pretty bad at taking criticism so enforcing the "message the mods first" thing in response to me calling out Kiwi for sexualizing me is not a good look.
Originally posted by Samantha
I'm honestly not even gonna dignify anything you've said with a serious response. You've always had it out for me and you always gaslight me into feeling bad when I call it out, so there's no point in me trying to reason with you when you're never gonna understand. You've always made me feel unwelcome and I'm tired of pretending you haven't.

If you have something against Maxo (which you evidently have), take it with him privately, please. Don't bring it publicly.

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Originally posted by Ninja Boy
The part where you came back more then two hours later to continue was where a different line got crossed. At this point the user in question should of well known that what they did was stupid and disrespectful, educating them on the reddit choice would of been fine but the attack wasn't and that's where the issue is.

I'll say it again, minus a few choice words I don't really think it was an attack. Personally I'd call it self defense.

I understand you completely and know how it is to be harassed. It's really gross when people sexualize you. However, what you did when you returned was very clearly an attack. I'm not speaking in lieu of the Discord team as I'm barely a Discord mod, but escalating to long-winded insults is not a good outlook, and the Discord team is, among other things, seeking to avoid adding more fuel to the fire when situations like the one you went through happen. I wasn't there when it happened (I was asleep the entire time), but I read the entire conversation and I recognize the situation could've been handled and defused in a much better way, which, for the sake of transparency, is something that's being addressed. We are humans after all.

Also, for what it's worth, Maxo's posts are not representative of the staff team as a whole.

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I'm not asking the staff to ban people for stuff like this, but rather than politely saying "hey there you broke rule A# so please don't do that" just fucking call it out for what it is and say "Hey ModernKiwi that was really creepy and gross." As staff members yall need to make it clear where you stand on stuff like this, cut out this "professionalism" shit and just call stuff out for what it is.

That was caught and dealt with when you pinged the administrators. It wasn't swept under the rug as some of you are thinking, though as I said, it should have been handled better.

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I'm really tired of you being performative Danny. You shouldn't be apologizing for "bad timing," you should be apologizing for creating an environment where people don't feel comfortable speaking up when staff do and say questionable things. Every time I or someone else has taken you to task you immediately try to spin it around at us and say "Wha-Where are are these ACCUSATIONS coming from? How DARE you accuse me of doing such a thing?!!" Its really stupid because everyone can look at discord logs and see that you regularly try to stamp out opposing viewpoints. You don't actually care to engage with the issues brought to you, you just wanna maintain an image (which many of us see through by the way).

Do you have some examples of this "uncomfortability" Danny made you go through previously? Also, it's not cool to accuse him of shutting down opposing viewpoints without actual proof. It benefits nothing, and you're acting way too personally on him.

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I get that you guys have a system you wanna maintain but I don't think its fair to expect people to just come to the mods when something happens to them. They should be allowed to make the user who dehumanized them feel bad for doing it (within reason, you can do this without insults), because as I've stated a million times, that's the only way people will change. The way you handled this situation is very suspicious, you've historically been pretty bad at taking criticism so enforcing the "message the mods first" thing in response to me calling out Kiwi for sexualizing me is not a good look.

I get you that dehumanizers should feel bad, but I'm also letting you know that they are punished accordingly and properly. You know this because you were a staff member yourself once. I politely ask you to not take this as an offense, because it's not.

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Originally posted by Katerpie
If you have something against Maxo (which you evidently have), take it with him privately, please. Don't bring it publicly.

I'm already on my way out the door, I see no reason to play nice with someone who's treated me like shit for most of my time on this website.


Originally posted by Katerpie
I understand you completely and know how it is to be harassed. It's really gross when people sexualize you. However, what you did when you returned was very clearly an attack. I'm not speaking in lieu of the Discord team as I'm barely a Discord mod, but escalating to long-winded insults is not a good outlook, and the Discord team is, among other things, seeking to avoid adding more fuel to the fire when situations like the one you went through happen. I wasn't there when it happened (I was asleep the entire time), but I read the entire conversation and I recognize the situation could've been handled and defused in a much better way, which, for the sake of transparency, is something that's being addressed. We are humans after all.

This is so headache inducing. You say you understand how I feel but then you turn around and continue to tone police me. This has been the staff's M.O. for so long that I didn't really recognize it until now.


Originally posted by Katerpie
Also, for what it's worth, Maxo's posts are not representative of the staff team as a whole.

I would hope not.


Originally posted by Katerpie
That was caught and dealt with when you pinged the administrators. It wasn't swept under the rug as some of you are thinking, though as I said, it should have been handled better.

Putting words in my mouth once again. I never said anything about the situation being swept under the rug. All I'm asking is that the staff stop feeling the need to be polite with people who do and say gross shit that makes other users uncomfortable. You don't need to be like "Hey fuck you ya worthless piece of garbage" but this stupid air of professionalism says to me the staff is trying to both-sides situations like this.



Originally posted by Katerpie
Do you have some examples of this "uncomfortability" Danny made you go through previously? Also, it's not cool to accuse him of shutting down opposing viewpoints without actual proof. It benefits nothing, and you're acting way too personally on him.

I'm not gonna painstakingly dig up quotes when they're readily available for anyone to read. Go dig through his posts in reality corner over the past year and its pretty plain as day. Danny has always been a problematic staff member and whenever someone tries to bring it up he gets butthurt and cries and the staff are just fine with it for some reason. Call it an attack, but I'm sick of him turning this place into a really toxic environment. A lot of people in the community agree with me but would never say so because he's created an environment and an image where he can't be criticized.

Maybe instead of demanding receipts from me, you demand that Danny prove he isn't doing the things I say he's doing.


Originally posted by Katerpie
I get you that dehumanizers should feel bad, but I'm also letting you know that they are punished accordingly and properly. You know this because you were a staff member yourself once. I politely ask you to not take this as an offense, because it's not.

Its way too late for me to not be offended. I've said it before and I'll say it once more, this isn't about how Kiwi was dealt with, this is about the staff being insensitive.
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