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Thanks to you, Amos, I decided to install Ubuntu properly on this very computer and I've actually experienced no problems except installing the Java plugin for Chrome (I think I can solve that now).

The thing that makes Ubuntu worth the time is the Ubuntu Software Center. Using this built in tool you can find almost any software worth getting for your OS. Which means no searching all over the net.

Plus, the only thing it lacks (for everyday use) is all the fonts from Windows (which means no Comic Sans :3)

Originally posted by DaxterSpeed
The thing that makes Ubuntu worth the time is the Ubuntu Software Center. Using this built in tool you can find almost any software worth getting for your OS. Which means no searching all over the net.
Yet when you're looking for a specific program and you can't find it on Synaptic (apt-get), nor can you find a .deb package or a binary file for it, then you're in trouble. Then you'll need to compile the file using simple commands, which fail 110% of the time for me due to some idiotic reasons.

This, for me, is one of the biggest reasons why I don't like using Linux, and why I appreciate viruses that work more than source files that won't even compile.


What the hell ISN'T in the software centre? List. And for the rare cases of compiling, it always works fine for me.

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Originally posted by Blu
Anyway, Windows. Windows Vista. I don't care what everyone says about the OS, it hasn't given me trouble and I like it a lot.


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Linux distros I have used on my computer:

Arch
Gentoo
Fedora
Ubuntu
Knoppix
Backtrack
Damn Small Linux(was more of an experiment)
Debian

All of these I have found great stability with and generally have no need for windows at all. The only reason I really use windows is for testing programs that I coded to ensure cross platform compatibility. Gentoo and Arch are probably my two personal favorites, and they allow me to set up my system exactly as I would like. Sure those distributions require a bit of work to compile packages you wish to install, but the work is quite minimal for a significant performance gain.

Linux in itself though is quite easy to grasp, even the terminal takes minimal practice to get the basics. Distributions like Ubuntu are quite simple for new users to pick up and may require an afternoon at most to pick up everything you need to get you well on your way. Installing and removing software is a one line operation, no need to go to the website of the developers. (For example in Gentoo you would simply type "emerge firefox" to install firefox.)
Windows. It's cheap, easy to use, and compatible with pretty much everything.

For a specific OS, Windows 7 64 bit.
Originally posted by moltensnow
Windows. It's cheap, easy to use, and compatible with pretty much everything.

Originally posted by moltensnow
cheap

Originally posted by Sind
[citation needed]

I dare you to find me a more expensive OS than windows 7.
I use Windows for everyday general use, it's compatible with the games I play and I don't have to do anything complicated to have it run. I have used Linux before, the Puppy distro, but it gave me some troubles and I decided to remove it. If you're the type of person that likes Windows, it wouldn't hurt to partition a linux distro on your HDD just to be on the safe side. (Or even LiveUSB) You can recover files and such if you ever get screwed over. I haven't used Macs before, but they don't really have a high reputation, at least from what I've seen from some people. I'm sure if I really tried I could get used to linux, but like Blumiere stated, I like the familiarity and compatibility that Windows XP and Windows 7 offer. Linux is definitely the way to go if you want to be able to have large flexibility, a secure machine, or a webserver.
Originally posted by HuFlungDu
Originally posted by Sind
[citation needed]

I dare you to find me a more expensive OS than windows 7.

You have to buy a friggin computer to get the latest Mac (derp)

Also, since when is Windows compatible with pretty much anything? To get anything working on Windows you have to install software, more software, and more software etc...
And if we're talking Hardware, Windows is still not the most compatible. To even get 7 running you need a pretty fast computer.
What I meant is... my 300 GB computer with 3 GB RAM that came installed with Windows 7 for $300 (It's a Compaq Presario).

No matter what program I want to use, I can use it, since most people use Windows and program things FOR Windows.

That should explain it.
Originally posted by DaxterSpeed
You have to buy a friggin computer to get the latest Mac (derp)

No... You really don't. Sure, you need to actually have a mac computer to install it, but that's no different than not being able to install windows if you only have a mac computer (Except PCs are more common). The updates themselves are only like $30. (Granted you then have to pay $20 for the ability to play mpeg-2s [and other ridiculous stuff like that), but the OS itself is cheaper).
Windows 7. I've had Vista and XP in the past, but my current laptop never had anything but 7. I'm pretty much sticking with Windows for the most part, I think. I am semi-interested in trying out Linux, but it gave me a pretty lackluster first impression. I tried Wubi (was planning to switch to full-blown Ubuntu later), and three hours of trying to get Internet working and STILL failing, even with Counterfeit helping me the whole time (good thing I had an extra computer handy), left a bad taste in my mouth. Linux may be faster and less messy, but it doesn't seem very easy to use for a newbie, not to mention a lot of software would probably not work on it. (As sad as it is that people don't make their programs cross-compatible...) I've never gotten any viruses, either, so that point is all but invalidated...and in Windows, unlike in Linux, there aren't five hundred different operating systems based on the same kernel, so you don't have to worry about which one to choose. I have near-zero experience with Macs, so I really can't say much about them.

Originally posted by Snowshoe
You can recover files and such if you ever get screwed over.
Funny thing happened quite awhile ago, where I misinterpreted some instructions and deleted /dev/sda. Long story short, both my Windows and Ubuntu partitions poofed.


Originally posted by moltensnow
What I meant is... my 300 GB computer with 3 GB RAM that came installed with Windows 7 for $300 (It's a Compaq Presario).

No matter what program I want to use, I can use it, since most people use Windows and program things FOR Windows.

That should explain it.

Think again, ever heard of the windows tax? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund I should also mention that Linux is free as well as 98% of the programs you can get for Linux. Thus, your claim that about cost is invalid. Besides, if you are somebody that builds their computer from scratch, windows is a far more expensive approach. Subtract the cost of windows adds to the 300 dollars and you realize that it costs more than you think. It is amazing how often the cost of windows is forgotten about whenever someone purchases a new computer. You just need to bare in mind that every little feature adds up to give you the final cost that you pay. And in the years I have used Linux I have NEVER found a task I could not preform due to lack of a program. Also I can hand you a Linux program right now and guess what, you can't use it. So before you say that you can use any program you want, think again. I may try to aim support at Windows when I code, but in the end I only test mainly on Linux, and am not that focused on the bugs triggered only on windows. If people want me to support their OS, then stop making claims that you have "all the software" that you need. HA! I made my paragraphs follow a rather strange alignment pattern.

For the Linux enthusiasts out there, I give you a challenge: find me an ATI Radeon X1400 driver for Linux, an alternative to AutoCAD that doesn't suck, and a half-decent MIDI editor, then we'll talk. But until then, I'll stick to using the Terminal as least as possible.

While we're on topic, the only useful point of Linux, or any UNIX systems, is when it comes for servers. True, it takes less resources because it's being ran without a GUI, but it also has tons of useful programs, e.g. web hosting, email, file sharing, etc. However, when it comes to usage as a regular computer, it's worthless.


Originally posted by Yakov
For the Linux enthusiasts out there, I give you a challenge: find me an ATI Radeon X1400 driver for Linux, an alternative to AutoCAD that doesn't suck, and a half-decent MIDI editor, then we'll talk. But until then, I'll stick to using the Terminal as least as possible.

While we're on topic, the only useful point of Linux, or any UNIX systems, is when it comes for servers. True, it takes less resources because it's being ran without a GUI, but it also has tons of useful programs, e.g. web hosting, email, file sharing, etc. However, when it comes to usage as a regular computer, it's worthless.



ATI Radeon X1400 driver:
http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Legacy/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.1&product=2.4.1.3.12&lang=English

Release notes for the driver:
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_93_linux.pdf

As for midi editing, this is mostly a matter of preference so I will just take a stab in the dark at what you want. Try this:
http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/

Again CAD software is preference, so I will take another guess as to what you want.

http://www.ribbonsoft.com/qcad.html
http://brlcad.org/
I'm currently using windows XP because everyone who has used it has nothing but good things to say about it. I've tried using a Mac before, and I am an Apple slave subscriber for iTunes/iTouch, but, really, so many programs run on Windows.

Also table-stretching is not cool.
Originally posted by Kadyastar
I'm currently using windows XP because everyone who has used it has nothing but good things to say about it.

lawls. You've never heard my thoughts on XP then.
(I can say that XP was a pretty good OS when it was released though)

Also, man, the more I use Linux the more I hate Vista. If everyone just stopped friggin making their horrible programs for Windows and started making them for an OS that worked (while also making their programs work), I wouldn't have Vista at all on this laptop.
Originally posted by p4plus2

Think again, ever heard of the windows tax?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund

Why would I give a damn if I already BOUGHT this computer. The final price was $400. That's for the computer AND monitor. The montior was about $150, so the computer was only $250.

Originally posted by p4plus2
I should also mention that Linux is free as
well as 98% of the programs you can get for
Linux.

So I should replace what my whole family likes and knows how to use for something that no one I know has ever heard of or used? Ok.

Originally posted by p4plus2

Thus, your claim that about cost is
invalid.

See my first argument.

Originally posted by p4plus2
Besides, if you are somebody that
builds their computer from scratch, windows
is a far more expensive approach.

Except I DON'T build computers from scratch, I go to the store and buy one.

Originally posted by p4plus2
Subtract
the cost of windows adds to the 300 dollars
and you realize that it costs more than you
think.

The final price was $300. Nothing was added but the mandatory $0.08 per dollar set in place by the government.

Originally posted by p4plus2

It is amazing how often the cost of
windows is forgotten about whenever someone
purchases a new computer.You just need to
bare in mind that every little feature adds
up to give you the final cost that you pay.

Who cares? Windows 7 Home Premium is $119. So all the extra features in my computer only cost $131.

Originally posted by p4plus2

Also I can hand you a Linux program
right now and guess what, you can't use it. So
before you say that you can use any program you
want, think again.

Yeah. I meant any program that I want to use. In all my years using a Windows computer, I have never come across a program I wanted to run but couldn't because I was on a Windows.

Originally posted by p4plus2
I may try to aim support at
Windows when I code, but in the end I only test
mainly on Linux, and am not that focused on the
bugs triggered only on windows.

Well, prepare for people to bitch about it when you release a program that doesn't work on Windows. The computer that MOST PEOPLE have.

There.


Originally posted by p4plus2
HA! I made my paragraphs follow a
rather strange alignment pattern.

Why?
XP and Vista, XP is still one of the most reliable OS' ever. EVER!
Yet it's too bad my Pc sucks too hard to still be able to prove the above fact.

I wanna get Windows 7 Instead of Vista though, it sucks ass in my oppinion, but I might just wait for Windows 8 to come out, since it will appearently launch in 2014 or something (I don't know only heard about it today)

Mac sucks big time.
Sure it works and all, but to me it's just too confusing and too expensive, and the lack of not being able to run things that do work on PC just sucks.

Linux I don't know anything about, the only thing I know about it is that it has a pinguin -_-
But yeah, never tried it, probably ain't worth it.
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