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BREAKING: Osama bin Laden is dead

So what if he is dead? The Al-Qaeda work in little units now and he barley masterminded anything these days. Another leader will step up and resume right where they left off. It is ironic he was living it up in a mansion, unlike a cave which was what the US expected.


Also..relevant video from The Archfiend
Originally posted by Shog
UShitA


Nice to know what other countries think of us. Y'know, historically Germany isn't exactly the image of international perfection either.

...okay, I apologize if that was a little harsh, but I feel that attack was a bit unjustified seeing as everyone here wants this whole mess to end anyway (and some of us never wanted it to start in the first place).
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Originally posted by Kipernal
Nice to know what other countries think of us.

*people

His opinion isn't shared by everybody in germany you know, your attack there was quite unjustified.
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Originally posted by leod
His opinion isn't shared by everybody in germany you know


I wasn't necessarily saying that every person in Germany has a negative opinion of the U.S., but it does seem at times like the U.S. gets the typical "yee haw let's bomb everything in sight I love killing stuff yeah" stereotype tacked on a lot (though thinking about it, I guess I can see why).

Originally posted by leod
your attack there was quite unjustified.


It wasn't an attack on modern Germany, but again, I do sincerely apologize if it was too harsh.
I should get a new layout.

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Originally posted by Shog
*stuff*

What the hell are you talking about. We had every right to end his life. He planned a terrorist attack that caused Americans to live in fear. Seriously, the twin towers were destroyed and thousands of people died because of it. Oh, and let's not forget that he went into hiding for 10 years to avoid punishment.

I see another attack coming, however.
Questions as to whether or not Osama was actually killed are silly. A DNA test was run and it was determined to be identical to Osama, and various white house correspondents have been shown images of his dead body. There will be some on the fringe (i.e. Andrew Brietbart) who will continue to doubt this, but it's ridiculous.

People may debate whether the U.S. should've spent so much money and devoted so many resources to going out and finding Osama, and that's a credible claim. The good news here though is that it didn't all go to waste. Internationally, our foreign policy looks less like a wild goose chase and more like something that actually produced results. I commend Obama's leadership: he negotiated with the CIA, decided on and authorized the most effective mission, (actually getting the body as opposed to drones) and decided when they had adequate resources. The selfish part of me is happy this is a political boost for Obama.

This is really more of a symbolic gesture: al qaeda looks weak for having their leader killed. Additionally, the U.S. apparently retrieved invaluable resources which will set them back even more. Sure, they might try and retaliate, but airports and such have increased security for the time being.

It's odd, perhaps, to be celebrating the death of someone. Indeed, killing Osama isn't going to bring back the families that were lost in 9/11. I do think in the long term, though, it makes the world a safer place.
Originally posted by moltensnow

I see another attack coming, however.


I find it interesting how quick the idea of revenge shifts across the court. Their next attack will be their revenge against the US and then the US will have their revenge and the cycle will just loop over and over. Why can't their just be peace? Revenge just leads to more revenge...I will only truly celebrate if Al-Qaeda throw down the arms and differences are settled the mature and free way!


I know that will never happen though.....please someone prove me wrong...

Also, if people who lost someone want to celebrate at ground zero, let them, if it helps them feel at peace with the past.
Originally posted by Supertails
Questions as to whether or not Osama was actually killed are silly. A DNA test was run and it was determined to be identical to Osama, and various white house correspondents have been shown images of his dead body. There will be some on the fringe (i.e. Andrew Brietbart) who will continue to doubt this, but it's ridiculous.

People may debate whether the U.S. should've spent so much money and devoted so many resources to going out and finding Osama, and that's a credible claim. The good news here though is that it didn't all go to waste. Internationally, our foreign policy looks less like a wild goose chase and more like something that actually produced results. I commend Obama's leadership: he negotiated with the CIA, decided on and authorized the most effective mission, (actually getting the body as opposed to drones) and decided when they had adequate resources. The selfish part of me is happy this is a political boost for Obama.

This is really more of a symbolic gesture: al qaeda looks weak for having their leader killed. Additionally, the U.S. apparently retrieved invaluable resources which will set them back even more. Sure, they might try and retaliate, but airports and such have increased security for the time being.

It's odd, perhaps, to be celebrating the death of someone. Indeed, killing Osama isn't going to bring back the families that were lost in 9/11. I do think in the long term, though, it makes the world a safer place.

Supertails stole the words right out of my mouth. Everything he said above, I agree with.

And when I first heard the news, my first thoughts were this:
Let the world rejoice. This inhumane creature is dead.
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Originally posted by moltensnow
Oh, and let's not forget that he went into hiding for 10 years to avoid punishment.


He deserves to die because he avoided being killed?

What!

Also, what happened to the right to a fair trial?
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Obviously that doesn't exist anymore to the American army. Osama? Kill him! His body? Dump it in the ocean!

e: Oh wow, just now on the news they said that Osama was actually unarmed when they found him. Those soldiers are truly idiots for killing him if that was the case.
I can come into the fact that they wanted him dead instead of risking him not getting a grand punishment (life long) after a trial. After all, he was responsible for the killing of thousands of people. Revenge feelings...

Originally posted by Supertails
Questions as to whether or not Osama was actually killed are silly. A DNA test was run and it was determined to be identical to Osama, and various white house correspondents have been shown images of his dead body. There will be some on the fringe (i.e. Andrew Brietbart) who will continue to doubt this, but it's ridiculous.


Where's the public proof? Videos we can see?

Originally posted by Kipernal
but it does seem at times like the U.S. gets the typical "yee haw let's bomb everything in sight I love killing stuff yeah" stereotype tacked on a lot (though thinking about it, I guess I can see why).


Well, the American Army meddles in just about any international conflict there is. Where'd you think that stereotype came from? Let those countries solve it for themselves for once. (Especially in cases like in Egypt, a couple of months ago. American participation was absolutely unnecessary there.)

Also, the other day I talked to a friend of mine who said it is good organisations like Al Qaeda exist. It keeps people trembling in fear, but that also means there is no chance of a Third World War. People are not overconfident of themselves, like they've been right before WWI (and, to a much lesser extent, WWII, but that war was indirectly a result of WWI). If it weren't for the terrorists who we are fighting, we might be fighting ourselves or another nation (think North Korea) over a much larger scale.
It was an interesting thing to hear - I don't really know what to think of this, though.
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I don't have much of an opinion on his death, but I do concede that this isn't something worthy of celebration. No amount of revenge will ever bring back those lost on 9/11, and killing the leader of Al-Qaeda won't efface terrorism from the world. As someone who works in New York City, relatively close to Ground Zero, and was there the day Bin Laden was killed, I can assure you no one was dancing in the streets, most people were just going about their normal business. At Ground Zero, yes, there was some "uproar", but just to emphasize, this wasn't some type of nationwide celebration. Many Americans are smart enough to know that Bin Laden's death isn't a "happily ever after" ending.
Originally posted by Jacob
I don't have much of an opinion on his death, but I do concede that this isn't something worthy of celebration. No amount of revenge will ever bring back those lost on 9/11, and killing the leader of Al-Qaeda won't efface terrorism from the world. As someone who works in New York City, relatively close to Ground Zero, and was there the day Bin Laden was killed, I can assure you no one was dancing in the streets, most people were just going about their normal business. At Ground Zero, yes, there was some "uproar", but just to emphasize, this wasn't some type of nationwide celebration. Many Americans are smart enough to know that Bin Baden's death isn't a "happily ever after" ending.

QFT. I do however loved the way people celebrated in Washington D.C (?), celebrating the death of a terrorist by chanting "USA! USA!" Obviously when you hear that the person responsible for killing ~2,973, injuring ~6,000, and destroying families everywhere, you just chant "USA" thinking all is now right in the world.
Originally posted by "Kipernal"

I wasn't necessarily saying that every person in Germany has a negative opinion of the U.S., but it does seem at times like the U.S. gets the typical "yee haw let's bomb everything in sight I love killing stuff yeah" stereotype tacked on a lot (though thinking about it, I guess I can see why).

And what's wrong with this stereotypical point, included the proof that the second biggest thing who gets money is the U.S. Army?
The first one is social btw. And I get my facts right. And I'm even further annoyed, that you said country. Dude. It doesn't matter which country said that. Seriously germany is on your<< side... and

Originally posted by "Roy"

Well, the American Army meddles in just about any international conflict there is. Where'd you think that stereotype came from? Let those countries solve it for themselves for once. (Especially in cases like in Egypt, a couple of months ago. American participation was absolutely unnecessary there.)

this. I mean it isn't stereotypical at all. It's happening. RIGHT NOW.
btw Leod made the point. It doesn't matter if I'm german or not. In fact, I'm not really german either, I have Croatian and serbish(?not sure if correctly spelled) roots. You see, I say UshitA to dumb people thinking that they have the right to kill one fuckin man but instead killed him AND caused horrib' damage to the country, too. You can say now "but they destroyed our lovely towers, too!11" but there enough proofs that it is an inside job, just read something about how the message of the destroyed towers comes even before the tower was destroyed in TV (I hate it that they deleted the video on Youtube...>_>). I mean WTF? It's the fuckin same story like the Reichstagbrand... or wait, here the english version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

You see, it's nearly the SAME FUCKIN SHIT

-one guy made some ouch to a big building
-the country with the destroyed building has a reason to make a war...

Where's the difference, seriously? Of course it's not the same country, but I hope you get my point. And if you read this article, you read that it's nearly impossible for one guy to make a whole buildung burnin...in this case.

Or they intimidate the United Arab Emirates with war because they wanted there oil to be selled with € instead of $ ...

But however, enough of my hate. I start to flame, because I'm not that great than I try to spell in English, so I have to use offense words or however they are called. meh :(


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Also, the other day I talked to a friend of mine who said it is good organisations like Al Qaeda exist. It keeps people trembling in fear, but that also means there is no chance of a Third World War. People are not overconfident of themselves, like they've been right before WWI (and, to a much lesser extent, WWII, but that war was indirectly a result of WWI). If it weren't for the terrorists who we are fighting, we might be fighting ourselves or another nation (think North Korea) over a much larger scale.
It was an interesting thing to hear - I don't really know what to think of this, though.

That's an interesting ascept if you ask me, because it makes sense.
Originally posted by Roy
Well, the American Army meddles in just about any international conflict there is. Where'd you think that stereotype came from? Let those countries solve it for themselves for once. (Especially in cases like in Egypt, a couple of months ago. American participation was absolutely unnecessary there.)


It's not like the people in the country have much of a choice, though, so while you can say that of the army and I'll completely agree, it's kind of unfair to say that about the individual people inside as well (though I'm not implying that you are).

Originally posted by Shog
*words*


First off, again, I wasn't referencing Germany alone; I was referencing other countries internationally as a whole. I have absolutely nothing against Germany or the people in it, nor do I have anything against any other country or their people. And again, while what you say may be true of the army, it does not hold true for every person inside the country.

And look, I am really, really sorry if what I said earlier offended anyone; I didn't mean to tread on anyone's toes or anything like that. I feel like I may have accidentally gained some enemies and started a flame war over something relatively trivial, and I can't apologize enough for this mistake. I'm sorry.
I should get a new layout.

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Originally posted by Kipernal


And look, I am really, really sorry if what I said earlier offended anyone; I didn't mean to tread on anyone's toes or anything like that. I feel like I may have accidentally gained some enemies and started a flame war over something relatively trivial, and I can't apologize enough for this mistake. I'm sorry.


I just want to quote that, because I read you post fully ;) And I apologize, too, because of -l0l-he-uzes-qurze-vords!1- and that I should write my "hate" messages not so ... well how do you call that, aggressive? Nevermind, just a additional comment to the "flame war or however you called that, Kipernal.
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And again, while what you say may be true of the army, it does not hold true for every person inside the country.


But I hope you agree this statement could be said for Bin Laden, too, right? Because the American Army killed even uhm... unarmed people, too. That's one of the things why I was raging btw. It was not only Osama, it were alot other people, too.
I hope you get my point. And no one hates you or you don't got any enemies or somethin. Just the political way how your American People handle wars etc. made me raging...well nevermind don't be always that patriotic and think :) ( No offense intended, seriously)
Huurrrrrrp! The new Osama threatens to attack the UK. Even though initially they threatened to attack the USA & Pakistan.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3563875/New-Osama-urges-UK-terror-blitz-in-email-to-undercover-Sun-investigator.html

The Sun aren't a newspaper company I particularly like, I think they were one of the opinionated ones. On the plus side; their newspapers are free & have soft pornography in every issue.

But more to the point, this guy threatens to attack us.

I think this is the guy who took over Al-Qaeda a few years ago while Osama was in hiding. Still, he's wanted & I'm sure we'll get hold of him.

Here he is:


Here's one reason why I have gained respect for The Sun:



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Originally posted by Shog
I just want to quote that, because I read you post fully ;) And I apologize, too, because of -l0l-he-uzes-qurze-vords!1- and that I should write my "hate" messages not so ... well how do you call that, aggressive? Nevermind, just a additional comment to the "flame war or however you called that, Kipernal.


Apology accepted. #w{=)} Like I said, I wasn't trying to be aggressive or mean, but a poor choice of words probably made it seem that way. But let's just put that behind us and forget it, shall we?

Originally posted by Shog
But I hope you agree this statement could be said for Bin Laden, too, right? Because the American Army killed even uhm... unarmed people, too. That's one of the things why I was raging btw. It was not only Osama, it were alot other people, too.
I hope you get my point. And no one hates you or you don't got any enemies or somethin. Just the political way how your American People handle wars etc. made me raging...well nevermind don't be always that patriotic and think :) ( No offense intended, seriously)


Oh, jeez, that's why you were upset? God only knows how much I hate the death of innocent civilians, so if that's what your rage was about then I can absolutely understand it; it just kind of seemed like you stereotyping the people when it's really the government/military that's more to blame if anything. (man, I'm not sure if I should be happy or not that this whole argument was over a couple of misunderstandings).

And on the subject of Bin Laden being dumped in the sea, from what I heard it was part of his religion that he be buried at sea within 24 hours of his death. I don't know if that's true, and I'd really like to see some pictures before I believe anything for sure, but I just figured I'd point it out.

Originally posted by Conal
But more to the point, this guy threatens to attack us.


Al-Qaeda has been threatening to attack me for the better half of my life; a new face isn't going to scare me much more, to be honest.
I should get a new layout.

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I can already foresee this becoming some sort of an endless "chain of revenges"...

(I don't want it to happen, of course)
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Originally posted by Volke
I, honestly couldn't care less, America will just find someone else as an excuse to bomb somewhere. People are dancing in the streets, unaware that nothing has changed.


You know what, f*ck off, America is not like that, how would you fell after someone killed someone from you family like so many people had to go though here in America....

anyways, thank god he is finally dead.

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