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I was doing it to be honest and not get lynched? I shouldn't have said that I would die, I just realised how stupid that is >_< (and it's a logic fallacy)

However, I think you are wrong that people wouldn't counter claim doctor if I wasn't. It would be easy for scum to claim doctor after I did, or for another normal townie to claim doctor (it is important to note that the Mafia would be able to quickly narrow down the possible power roles as they already knew their one, the Roleblocker. This either means the town has a jailkeeper or bulletproof townie, or a cop and a doctor)

I'm targeting Apollo purely for her to say something, I don't know if she is scum or not. I am completely willing to vote someone else if some other information comes to light.

I don't think MM9's logic is sound. He fails to consider that while Lightvayne didn't claim townie, he could have been a power role and could have been protecting himself and making himself seem unimportant to the Mafia.

Or Lightvayne could be Mafia, I'm honestly not sure. Sorry for calling you scum MM9, but honestly I think your logic isn't super convincing.

I'll keep my vote on Apollo as long as it won't result in her lynch tomorrow.

- BlackMageMario
Originally posted by BlackMageMario

However, I think you are wrong that people wouldn't counter claim doctor if I wasn't. It would be easy for scum to claim doctor after I did, or for another normal townie to claim doctor (it is important to note that the Mafia would be able to quickly narrow down the possible power roles as they already knew their one, the Roleblocker. This either means the town has a jailkeeper or bulletproof townie, or a cop and a doctor)


BMM I swear you've pretty much confirmed yourself for mafia. The only confirmed role so far is the Cop, who was revealed by death. Why would another townie counter claim doctor when they're not personally the doctor? It'd be an extremely scummy thing to do. You're literally defending yourself by saying your claim of a role that we could possibly not have is legitimate, because another town player who ISN'T doctor hasn't decided to counter claim you.

If he did, we'd probably have lynched one of you. And we'd be down by a player. That's just stupid.

You're logic is all over the place and it makes absolutely no sense for someone who is playing on the town's side.

OH, and you're still targeting Apollo despite at least 3 people saying its a bad idea and Apollo even POSTING before you did. Looks like bandwagoning with Lightvayne to me. HEY, VOTING FOR A PLAYER WHO CAN'T DEFEND THEMSELVES REAL NEAT.

Screw it, vote BlackMageMario again. I agree Lightvayne and ShadowFire are acting a little scummy too, but nobody has compelling evidence against them like BMM has.

(accusations of leading the lynch notwithstanding. I didn't jump on the lynch for Apollo did I? Or BMM until now he voted me first...)
I'm actually going to add my vote to BMM, not because of the whole Latukas/BMM debate going on, but because many of us has said that we shouldn't vote Apollo, and yet he still keeps his vote on (her?). I really fail to see how someone who has been busy lately needs to be voted against.
Later.
I kept my vote on her because I wanted to see if she would give info. Considering she is going to give info later, I guess I shall retract her vote.

(This has to have been the most active Mafia game in a while o.o)

- BlackMageMario
Votecount the second.

Latukas -
Lightvayne - Majorasmask9
Shadowfire -
BlackMageMario - eXcavator, Shadowfire, Latukas
Majorasmask9 -
Apollo Justice - Lightvayne
eXcavator -

4 votes to lynch.
Day round will last for another 32 hours.
woag.....

(previously superdragonyoshi1. sup yall.)
Originally posted by BlackMageMario
I kept my vote on her because I wanted to see if she would give info. Considering she is going to give info later, I guess I shall retract her vote.

(This has to have been the most active Mafia game in a while o.o)

- BlackMageMario


You literally posted that you were still voting her AFTER she said that though.

Also moving my vote to BMM so we can finally end this round
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I've been thinking about this for a while now and have written/erased arguments several times because I eventually found problems with them.

I'm going to vote for BlackMageMario. But I'm not convinced at all by Latukas's argument. I think if BMM is the Doctor, then Latukas is either innocent or a mafia member that's getting ahead of himself (and I don't think he'd be one to overlook things that easily.) And this is why I want to lynch BMM now. Because I feel like lynching BMM would give us more information than lynching anyone else.

If BMM is the Doctor then he's going to die tonight regardless. A Cop and Doctor in play would mean that there is also a Mafia Roleblocker. All the mafia would need to do is roleblock BMM and kill him. There's nothing to stop that except lynching the Roleblocker, and even if we can narrow the mafia down, the odds of it being that specific role are still low.

If BMM is Mafia then we still don't really have any idea what the role setup is. It could be Row 2 (meaning there is a Doctor in play that he's trying to lure out) or it could be Column B (meaning the Cop is the Town's only power role and there is actually no Doctor in play at all.)

Either way I think that due to BMM's role claim, the odds of him surviving this round are too small to put any money on. And given that there is the possibility that he's mafia luring out the Doctor, I'd rather get that suspicion out of the way and done with.

EDIT: The fact that Lightvayne, Latukas, and ShadowFire all voted for BMM is making me uncomfortable, because I think it's too likely that at least one of them are mafia. I'm still extremely suspicious of Lightvayne and I'll probably push to lynch him next round.
Even I'm finding the fact Lightvayne and ShadowFire keep bandwagoning with me kinda weird.

Maybe lynching BMM isn't the best idea... I mean, it could be a sign they're both scum or something and pushing to lynch whoever a townie votes for - and if so, BMM wouldn't be scum.

Lightvayne bandwagoned on Apollo too..

Do we have enough time left to switch to Lightvayne instead? If BMM dies tonight he would have died anyway, and if he doesn't we have a good lynch for next round I guess.
Votecount the-oh wait you're dead.

Latukas -
Lightvayne - Majorasmask9
Shadowfire -
BlackMageMario - eXcavator, Shadowfire, Latukas, Lightvayne
Majorasmask9 -
Apollo Justice - Lightvayne
eXcavator -

BlackMageMario was lynched.
He was a Town Doctor.
24 hours until day 3.
woag.....

(previously superdragonyoshi1. sup yall.)

Well crap...

Don't remember if night talk is on, but eh.

I am a Vanilla Townie. I unfortunately have no way to prove it. Do with me as you will. I'm on vacation and don't really have time to argue the facts. If you really want to vote for me then honestly I couldn't care.

I'll put my own vote in for myself next turn: Lightvayne
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YOU ALL ARE SO SUSPICIOUS BUT ONLY TWO OF YOU ARE ACTUALLY MAFIA HOW IS THIS HAPPENING

Edit: Lightvayne don't say that. If we lynch a townie we lose. The fact that you're trying that makes me want to lynch you for that fact alone. So if you are a townie you might have just made the town lose because I'm definitely voting for you next round now :'(.
"I don't think MM9's logic is sound. He fails to consider that while Lightvayne didn't claim townie, he could have been a power role and could have been protecting himself and making himself seem unimportant to the Mafia.

Or Lightvayne could be Mafia, I'm honestly not sure. Sorry for calling you scum MM9, but honestly I think your logic isn't super convincing."

- BMM

I still haven't read through everything, but I think it's important to put weight on what BMM has said at this point since he's (obviously) confirmed innocent. I'm not so sure how I feel on Lightvayne being Mafia - I mean, he could very well be, but I don't think he'd be pulling the "go ahead lynch me" card if he's actually Mafia.

But the Majora thing IMO is something to go on. If I die this night round, plz lynch Majora this next day round because it's the closest we're going to get at this point. I'm going to examine everything he's said up to this point again tomorrow, but he gives me the CREEPY VIBES and I'm not about that. <__< Plus we have BMM's suspicions of him, which are worth more than we may think IMO.
Originally posted by Apollo Justice
"I don't think MM9's logic is sound. He fails to consider that while Lightvayne didn't claim townie, he could have been a power role and could have been protecting himself and making himself seem unimportant to the Mafia.

Or Lightvayne could be Mafia, I'm honestly not sure. Sorry for calling you scum MM9, but honestly I think your logic isn't super convincing."

- BMM

I still haven't read through everything, but I think it's important to put weight on what BMM has said at this point since he's (obviously) confirmed innocent. I'm not so sure how I feel on Lightvayne being Mafia - I mean, he could very well be, but I don't think he'd be pulling the "go ahead lynch me" card if he's actually Mafia.

But the Majora thing IMO is something to go on. If I die this night round, plz lynch Majora this next day round because it's the closest we're going to get at this point. I'm going to examine everything he's said up to this point again tomorrow, but he gives me the CREEPY VIBES and I'm not about that. <__< Plus we have BMM's suspicions of him, which are worth more than we may think IMO.

I want to point out a flaw with your logic. You say that it's worth taking BMM's pointing out a flaw in my logic as proof that I'm likely mafia, but his problem with my logic was irrelevant. He claimed that Lightvayne could have been a power role that didn't want to reveal, but both town-sided power roles are dead. That's the entire point and why I think Lightvayne is guilty: Lightvayne thought there was ONE townie alive at that point in time, and when somebody claimed townie, he did not counterclaim. If he's a power role and hiding that, then he has to be mafia, as those are the only non-townie roles alive in the game. If you're wanting to agree with BMM's dying words, then taking it as "Majora is mafia" is the exact opposite.

And pls I know you don't put much weight on the "go ahead and lynch me" charade...
Day three is upon us. Your last chance at victory is at hand.

Latukas -
Lightvayne -
Shadowfire -
Majorasmask9 -
eXcavator -

Apollo Justice was killed. (nondescript-gender pronoun) was a vanilla townie.
5 days until the day ends. Good luck.
woag.....

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Originally posted by superdragonyoshi1
She was a vanilla townie.
Fixed.

I'll admit that I was a bit irritated and tired yesterday. I would still like to at least try and make the town win.

Voting For latukas
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For what it's worth, my over-the-top suspicions of Lightvayne from the end of last round and on were an act. While there are some things pointing toward him being mafia, I'm not fully convinced at all that he is. I was hoping that by convincing the mafia that I would definitely want to vote for Lightvayne, they would keep me alive. Because while the mafia could have just killed me and said "Majora died, he was suspicious of Lightvayne, therefore Lightvayne is guilty," that never works. Why try something like that when you have a player that's openly and aggresively going after an innocent player?

And look, Lightvayne and I are alive. Kind of like the mafia want me to lynch Lightvayne. And if the "lynch Lightvayne" plan goes bad, hey, you've got me as a controversial backup plan, especially after what Apollo said last round.

I'm very suspicious of Latukas. I think it was very, very odd that he would try to lynch someone claiming Doctor, especially in this game. His thoughts were kind of all over the place. He's been leading the town lynch by lynch and even tried to control the cop. Those alone are some pretty big red flags that he's mafia, IMO. But what I also find suspicious (and I hate using online times to base votes on, but they're staring me right in the face) is that Latukas hasn't even replied to the thread yet. I think if he was a townie he'd be on top of things right now because we are in LYLO and he even has a vote on him. But he's sitting back, likely waiting to see what my move is, thinking I'll vote for Lightvayne.

I'm not very suspicious of eXcavator. He's fairly inactive and I feel like if he was mafia he would have posted more. That leaves ShadowFire and Lightvayne. I'll admit, I do think Lightvayne could be mafia, but I think it's likely he's a townie. That leaves Latukas and ShadowFire. ShadowFire has also been pretty suspicious, following Latukas's votes to an almost obvious degree.

So that's my guess I guess. Never really had much of a chance after the Doctor got lynched, so I'm hoping this is the right call.

Vote for Latukas
My PC is always online (I host servers on it in addition to using it for browsing/gaming/etc.), it doesn't mean I'm there to check the thread. This is the first time I've checked the thread since yesterday.

Also why was it odd? My reasons for lynching BMM were pretty sound. Not really all over the place. BMM was suspicious from day 1, he claimed doctor which threw me off but then I realized the mafia would probably be pretending to claim doctor now that the cop is gone. It turned out that wasn't the case, but it WAS at least a 50/50 chance so it wasn't a bad bet, especially considering how scummy BMM had acted up until that point.

Also I only lead the lynch on day 1. I had nothing to do with people bandwagoning on my vote against BMM, HE VOTED FOR ME FIRST so you can't call me out for countervoting him and apparently leading the lynch with that?

I even considered at the end of the round the fact ShadowFire and Lightvayne were bandwagoning with me was very odd. I implore you to reconsider basically. If ShadowFire and Lightvayne are mafia as I suspect, its them that are making the lynches by bandwagoning with me twice in a row.

But yeah if it'll curb your accusations of me leading the votes, I'll let you reconsider without voting anyone else.

Just please retract your vote. All it takes is for ShadowFire to come online and I'll be hammered, and we'll lose.
Originally posted by Latukas
My PC is always online (I host servers on it in addition to using it for browsing/gaming/etc.), it doesn't mean I'm there to check the thread. This is the first time I've checked the thread since yesterday.


This is a very weak argument and it just seems like you're presenting true but irrelevant information to discredit an argument. Hosting a server and leaving your PC on isn't going to affect you "Last seen" time on SMWC. You were browsing SMWC throughout the day yesterday and even posted in another thread after the round started.

Originally posted by Latukas
Also why was it odd? My reasons for lynching BMM were pretty sound. Not really all over the place. BMM was suspicious from day 1, he claimed doctor which threw me off but then I realized the mafia would probably be pretending to claim doctor now that the cop is gone. It turned out that wasn't the case, but it WAS at least a 50/50 chance so it wasn't a bad bet, especially considering how scummy BMM had acted up until that point.


Because the mafia falseclaiming doctor would have been a bad play. Obviously the mafia knew there was a Doctor alive when EvilGuy died and was revealed as the Cop (since they have a Roleblocker, meaning Row 2 roles were used.) By falseclaiming Doctor there would be a Doctor counterclaim by the real Doctor, and even if we lynched that doctor, we'd have a confirmed guilty player since we would then know he wasn't the Doctor. I really don't think it would be like you for you (as a townie) to vote for someone who's claiming Doctor of all things.

And your vote wasn't just a countervote. You voted for him after you "saw him slip up" and you latched at that piece of evidence hard. As if you no longer cared that there was a possibility he was the Doctor.

Originally posted by Latukas
Also I only lead the lynch on day 1. I had nothing to do with people bandwagoning on my vote against BMM, HE VOTED FOR ME FIRST so you can't call me out for countervoting him and apparently leading the lynch with that?


Yes I can. Because the fact still remains that BMM was an uncounterclaimed Doctor, and him voting for you doesn't change that. Not to mention, as I said, you latched onto a perceived slip-up he made and even went so far as to say he "pretty much confirmed [himself] for mafia." That doesn't sound like someone that isn't intending to start a bandwagon to me.

Originally posted by Latukas
I even considered at the end of the round the fact ShadowFire and Lightvayne were bandwagoning with me was very odd. I implore you to reconsider basically.


You made a point in saying that, yes, but that doesn't prove anything.

Not to mention your post has a very distinct vibe to it that I remember when playing with you in the past. You do things that seem suspicious, and when called out, you argue that they weren't suspicious at all in an attempt to dissuade people from voting for you. Sometimes when you're mafia (by you I mean anyone) you don't realize that the actions you make are suspicious, because even though the end result of an action is beneficial to the mafia, your rationale for that action seems logical and innocent enough. But in reality it can be pretty clear what the true intentions were.

EDIT: Typo
I'd actually like to hear what eXcavator has to say about all of this. Out of the 5 of us playing, i think he posted, what, once?

But i'm not voting for him, that's kinda silly.

(I'll read through the MM9-Latukas debate in a bit)
Later.
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