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I agree with GS15... It really isn't easy at all ;___;

Easy is YI1 with savestates... Not this.

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Is it strange if I see ways to break this?
They're really simple, and a lot easier than taking the long way around.

To be honest, this hack really isn't that hard. It could be a lot harder, if it had, say, a two tile gap in the first room for the walljumps instead of 3.


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Originally posted by Alexander
YOUR improvements? YOU didn't find them >:\


ummmmmm... you have never seen the tas as it was never released, and i made it last ummmm i think november... maybe october. josh might remember as i was talking to him while making it. so in case you are wondering, they are my improvements, unless (and i know you will lie about this too) you made yours before then.

also, ya, sorry guys, but this kid loves to lie and piss me off for entertainment. terribly sorry its hitting the forums, but i really have no control of this child so ya.

and tom, first off, thats not harder :/ it makes things easier for me. and there are a couple breaks, though no major ones that i can see (nor have i really looked for any) just like skype me about them. also, i am aware it is not all that hard to tasers. the point of this hack wasnt to be super insanely hard. its just much harder then any hack out there by far. and impossible to anyone who does not know how to use tools nor has the knowledge of how all the tricks and glitches work in smw.

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Originally posted by SoulJester726

also, ya, sorry guys, but this kid loves to lie and piss me off for entertainment. terribly sorry its hitting the forums, but i really have no control of this child so ya.



Thats still gunna antagonise anyone who is in an argument with you... Whoevers fault it is you are both making it worse >__> (especially with that post I just quoted), think before you type...

Sorry that this is offtopic but since I don't TAS I can't say much but to mother drama ...

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Note: this all was written before Jewston posted.

That wasn't an argument, though! It was merely a discussion.

It's easy for experienced TASers, which Jewston, Pat, Thomas, Josh and I happen to be.

Cloning from a three-block distance is easy when you know that the shell's subpixel needs to be 20 (and it's easily found in SMWUtils.lua).

The intro is easy when you know that you can't jump when your speed is 64, so you alternate B and A every other frame.

Key-walking is easy when you know that all you have to do is drop the key the frame you pick it up.

Gaining p-meter in the second room is easy when you know to switch direction on the frame that it reaches its max value.

Kicking and bouncing off of a shell in mid-air is easy when you know that shells move at a fixed speed when they are bumped (though it's faster when you actually kick one).

The above principles are the same with the evaporating blocks. Knowing that you can spinjump on them when it's moving helps too.

Corner clipping while flying is easy when you know that you have to hit the block with a certain subpixel (relative to you running against it) with an x-velocity of 49 or higher and a y-velocity of 33 or higher (though it's possible get it with a y-velocity of 16 if you have Yoshi, since his sprite has a very screwy hitbox).

Maintaining flight through doors is easy when you know that your takeoff meter needs to be 3 or greater when you enter the door (though this is only if there is no floor in the next room; your takeoff meter needs to be 18 or greater if there is a floor, and you need to jump as soon as you gain control of Mario).

Catching air multiple times is easy when you know that you can catch air again if your speed is negative (when facing to the right; positive if you're facing left).

Fast diving is easy when you know that all you have to do is press < every other frame (if you're facing left; > if you're facing right). Likewise if you're trying to catch air quickly.

Doing the above without gaining x-velocity is easy when you know that pressing < and > while diving and facing to the left causes no change in x-velocity.

Block duplicating is easy when you know that the x-velocity of the item needs to be 0 and needs to go into the block by at least 7 pixels from the bottom. Basically, throwing an item up when you're slightly below and to the side of a block will cause it to duplicate.

Jumping through a ceiling is easy when you know that when you double grab two items, they act like a solid block. Tossing them up and jumping into them just before they contact with the ceiling should force you up through it.

Corner clipping when you aren't flying is easy when you read what I said earlier about corner clipping. Oh, and you need to be Super Mario, otherwise you'll die when you clip into the block (and you cannot be ducking).


And yes, I did just run through the video and point out each point of [relative] difficulty.

Fakeedit: There has been videos of the break already.

I don't try to piss you off, it just kinda happens. The only time I've legitimately enjoyed causing you to be angry with me is when I released PI 106.

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first off, your wrong, its 33 pixels for .20, which is two tiles.

the tricks you mentioned makes you sound like an idiot because you dont realize why they hack is hard.

keeping flight after the door is hard because corner clipping takes time and in my case i had like 3 frames to spare once i got to the door.

intro is barely more then kaizo.

p meter, you make no sense with what you said. the way to get the max is to time it so you reach 33 speed just before you get to the edge of the cement blocks.

you know nothing about duplicating a block since you just read what it says on tasvideos.

and you have said nothing about why the hack is easy. you just mentioned tasing tricks. try actually beating the hack before you go all bull shit on me. you realize the shell jumps and pixel perfect jumps make it hard. not knowing how to do the tricks. its actually preforming them.

EDIT: oh ya, also, he missed my breaks, and i have never seen that before.

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Second room complete.

Stop insulting me. You call me uncontrollable and yet you insist on arguing. Please, just stop.

Just because I don't know every fine detail about a glitch, doesn't mean I can't do them. Stop attacking my intelligence just because I forgot something.

The p-meter deal makes sense if you don't jump.

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Originally posted by Alexander
Second room complete.


amazing, because i really care?

and you cant gain p meter without jumping on three tiles.

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I was just pointing it out for the purpose of the thread. The point of creating the damned thing is to discuss the hack, which I was doing.

It still makes sense, even if it doesn't necessarily apply to a three-block tile.

And if you want to discuss lack of intelligence, how about I bring up how you thought it was possible to keep flight after the scrolling room in Item Abuse by using the invincibility frames to regain p-meter "since you only need three blocks to get to the max sprinting speed"?

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Originally posted by SoulJester726
first off, your wrong, its 33 pixels for .20, which is two tiles.

Mister himself mentioned that the subpixel is 20 here for 3 tiles up.

Originally posted by SoulJester726
the tricks you mentioned makes you sound like an idiot because you dont realize why they hack is hard.

How do they make him sound like an idiot? He simply was stating his opinion in a way that has data to back it up.

Originally posted by SoulJester726
keeping flight after the door is hard because corner clipping takes time and in my case i had like 3 frames to spare once i got to the door.

As DMR explained, the requirements for corner clipping are not as strict as people make it out to be. As long as you can get into the door with your takeoff meter above 2, there's no problem.

Originally posted by SoulJester726
p meter, you make no sense with what you said. the way to get the max is to time it so you reach 33 speed just before you get to the edge of the cement blocks.

His statement makes perfect sense. He's saying that all you really need to do is jump on the last frame possible, turn around on the last frame possible, and repeat. And thats exactly what it is.

Originally posted by SoulJester726
you know nothing about duplicating a block since you just read what it says on tasvideos.

A) TASVideos's game resources page for SMW says very little about the specifics of block duplication. As for where DMR obtained that information, Mister himself provided it in the previously mentioned thread on TASVideos. This quote happens to not be normally noticable unless you were paying specific attention to each detail, so I sincerely doubt DMR did not actually remember it when writing his post.

Originally posted by SoulJester726
and you have said nothing about why the hack is easy. you just mentioned tasing tricks. try actually beating the hack before you go all bull shit on me. you realize the shell jumps and pixel perfect jumps make it hard. not knowing how to do the tricks. its actually preforming them.

He's saying that does in fact know how to perform each trick. The first step to mastering a trick is knowing how its done, after all. Since he already knows how each trick is done, there's no reason to believe he does not find them easier than someone else may.

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amazing, because i really care?

You were the one who was insulting Alex for having only completing the introduction room, so he decided to state that he is past that.


Sorry to everyone for jumping into this argument, but when people start insulting people simply because the other person has made a point (especially on the subject of "difficulty"), it annoys me.
Especially since SJ is always posting on hacks, claiming they're easy, yet here he is resorting to insults rather than facts because someone else claims that his hack is easy.


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Edit: These things were said via Skype.

I'd also appreciate it if you would stop wishing "a slow and painful death" upon me. Wishing you had a pistol so you can "send a bullet through my thick skull".

And saying that I wasn't raped is a personal insult, and it really does hurt when people say things like this, especially when they don't justify why they think I wasn't raped.

You really take the internet too seriously, Justin. Threatening death is something that can get you arrested. I'd rather not get the police involved over something as mundane as a video game.

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Thank you, Thomas. Though it was the first room, not the intro (not that it matters).

And to any mods: I really would like to take the argument some place other than this thread, but he has blocked me literally everywhere.

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This is still so fricking rediculous.
GODDAMNIT ITS JUST A 20-YEAR OLD VIDEO GAME

yeah... TFB i told someone about the death threats, because i for one would love to know who has that much against me. How can anyone honestly hate someone that much over such small things?

Point is, its insane. Can't you two just make up and stop the madness? Like the world needs any more stress or drama, regardless of how confined this is.

Still, if you don't like someone i would at least tell them, but so harshly? Is this seriously something worth taking someone's life away for?

Im not here to ruin anyone's life. All i can say is i tried easing tensions and it failed.
Why try when its not my business you may ask? If i can make the world a better place, even if its small piece by small piece, i do believe i have tried to help a good cause.

All of us, we're all TASers. Why argue amongst ourselves over small things. Both of your sides present valid claims, such as alex lying quite a bit, which he admits to. But why take it personally and to such extreme levels?

Now i may appear to be taking sides, but as ive stated i just want this to stop.

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I've learned the collective intelligence of the human race amounts to roughly that of a bar of soap.
In other news, why am I here.
Except that it stretches further than just a TASing feud.

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Well i have not properly been informed of such things, since you two are in pretty distant states (IIRC) i assumed nothing much more could be done.

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I've learned the collective intelligence of the human race amounts to roughly that of a bar of soap.
In other news, why am I here.
Well, you never really asked.

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What the hell you two. Don't force me to ban either of you. This is your second and final (yes, public) warning, do NOT continue with these arguments anywhere on the forums. Additionally, since you both were previously warned, I do not feel that any "blame" game will be justifiable, even if one person 'did' start it. As you were warned, you should have not continued. Get back on topic.
Originally posted by Ultimaximus
Get back on topic.

Just to say something, most of their argument was about the topic. ^^;
Specifically about the difficulty of it.


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It was until I brought up the death threat deal.

I really didn't intend for a shitstorm to ensue. I was just commenting on the hack :\

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Yoshi's Island Disassembly C3 Thread
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http://i666.photobucket.com/albums/vv29/Gatswimmer/banana-mario.gif...damn it! IMPOSSIBLE?!

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I'm sorry but I would just like to point out that this has been hilarious, thank you

also no I didn't help Alex with anything I've become addicted to tomb raider now haven't touched SMW in months

death threats are not so funny

edit: i'll add something on topic. This looks tricky

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