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130: Perilous Paths - Slash Man
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I reopened this thread on RN's request since he's been doing a slight aesthetic overhaul to the level.

Quite so. Progress report:

Main Hall (131):

Removed all brick (which made the place look decidedly unimposing, as well as too similar to Musical Mechanisms...also, that brick's just plain ooglay) here and everywhere else in the level, and gave things a better background, namely an edit of the Rusted Retribution BG, made to look non-dilapidated. Also made new tiles for the slopes, which had previously only existed in brick form. Everything here looks a lot cleaner and sleeker now, so we know Doc runs a serious, well-maintained enterprise here. Also managed to reduce the insertion size a bit (here and in all other sublevels), due to a combination of removing the brick, merging duplicated/adjacent tiles to one object, and deleting completely hidden tiles.

Upper left path (180)

Probably the most striking change, as this path is now recast as a computer program, accessed from a computer terminal in a small antechamber. The laser sensor now functions as an animation trigger, and activates an alarm-type red flash. Still sort of the least remarkable path gimmick-wise, but I'd rather refain from altering the actual design of the level in any significant way.

Videos of the entire path, before the flash was added, and of the flash effect itself.

Lower left path (181):

Another substantial one. Firstly, this level previously still used the Musical Mechanisms palette (presumably due to the tedium of changing all the blackout animations); it has now been given a new one, darker in the blackout areas, and brighter in the normally lit ones. The original also only used the upper half of the factory BG, with a black void in the lower half, as presumably as the bottom part remaining visible when the FG disappeared would have looked odd, as well as silhouetting the FG and sprites in a way that partially defeats the gimmick. I compensating for this by building a simple BG out of a few tiles which use palette 4 (the blinking palette), so they'll disappear along with the FG during the lights out phase.

You'll also notice the addition of several lamps. Burnt out ones in the blackout sections seen above...

...And functional ones in the normal area, thus explaining why this small portion retains light while everything else is plunged into darkness. Also...

...I suspect the small section of non-blacking-out land here was actually the result of some misplaced tiles, but I decided to go along with it anyway.

It also struck me as odd that the blocks in the lava blacked out as well, despite the lava being a luminous substance. Since I freed up a few animation slots by removing the brick, I decided to give at least those blcoks directly touching the molten material a reddish glow when the lights go out.

Again, here's a video of the entire phase.

Upper right path (182): Actually, I didn't do all that much here, aside from the brick removal (though there wasn't too much of that to begin with) and general optimization, as it looked pretty snazzy to begin with. I did, however, add three coins--two indicating where it's safe to fall back down after getting the hidden 1-up at the start (it's a potentially fatal blind drop otherwise), and one at the end, giving just a wee hint to the observant player that they may want to ride that horizontal platform past the change point, as the final coin is rather a bit too obscure otherwise. I hope you'll forgive me this tiny non-æsthetic intrusion.

Lower right path (183): Haven't got to work on this yet. I'm thinking of mixing in another tileset (probaly the blimp or the factory one seen in Stratus Skyworks/Pyro Cryo Castle) in with the existing one to add a bit of variation. I'm also hoping someone might draw a layer 3 background suitable for this level (if so, I'll move the message block--and probably the powerup, too--to a small antechamber). The fact that the reverse gravity gimmick doesn't work in the base ROM at present makes testing difficult, however.

Final corridor (184):

In addition to adding two or three instances of Dr. Koo (Doc needs a staff, right?) I assembled a background from a combination of the bonus BG and the Reclaimed Refinery pipes. The result works a lot better than one might expect! That said, I'm really not too sure how I feel about using the FG for the final level anywhere besides the final level itself, as it strikesme as the final level ought to look unique (admittedly, it has a few features not seen here, and this level has a few features not seen there, and this level does admittedly lead directly into the final level, but still). Unfortunately, there really isn't another FG which has a comparable effect. I thought of perhaps using the one for Myrkky Mainline, but that seems to assembled in a very strange manner, with the same ExGFX file being used for FG3 and BG2, and even the most basic tiles drawing 8x8s seemingly at random from both of these slots, requiring the file occupy each of them, and thus preventing me from using decorations from any other tileset were I to use said FG. Alas.

What really bothers me, though, is the use of the laser guns as decorative elements around the Thwomps, as seen in the second image. This is because said lasers play a rather important role in the next level as prominent, active elements, and it seems wrong to "spoil" them here, so to speak. We could always switch them to the coil electrodes, but this strikes me as having the same exact problem, or worse, since those are also solid in the next stage. Should we simply count on the player's ignorance of guns' true functions (and their more subdued palette) to carry the day here? Or does the guns' inclusion as an innocuous decorative element here in fact help from a plot perspective, as it makes the the moment in the subsequent cutscene where they unexpectedly fire (and obliterate two scientists) all the more unexpected, as the player had come to ignore them as a mere bit of harmless adornment? What say you all?

Anyway, that's where we stand at present. Thoughts, suggestions?
good progress my friend keep it up and you will finish this level in no time.

i think she said that we are always welcomed in her shed


I should have something witty to put here (even if it's just to update dated info), shouldn't I?

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But the level is already finished.

I'm actually impressed with how well you managed to integrate the bonus background into the final stretch of the level. It looks surprisingly .. rustic, and good overall.

No complaints from me on anything. I'm pleased with it overall.
Can I ask why I wasn't consulted about this prior? I mean I appreciate the help and I'm sure everyone else does but c'mon, I tried to make a level on my own.

I think a post layout goes here somewhere...
Uh, I mentioned it to you on IRC as soon as it was happening. Maybe you missed my message. It's still your level, and if you don't like the changes, feel free to shoot them down or whatever - just be prepared to make the necessary alterations yourself. The point previously brought up was very valid (i.e. the graphics aren't really "different" enough).
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Wow, I sure haven't been here in a while. Probably should've came and pointed this out long ago, but something is a miss here.:

I don't know if everyone here is okay with this, but doesn't strike anyone that the platforms look... off? They're pseudo-3D, DonkeyKong style in a while. I can understand having the platforms acting like the ones from Donkey Kong, but the tilesets of this game are not set up in the same style as Donkey Kong's is, there for, these platforms completely throw off the look of this level, to this user atleast. I'm still but just 1 user, but I really think we should probably change the graphics of these platforms to keep the general style, but maybe to be more 2D. Just a suggestion, because I don't really know if this has crossed other peoples' minds or not. Sorry for being a neat freak and all, but don't shoot me down with some rude or heinous comment, I'm just trying to see what's best.
Finished remodeling. Or did I? You tell me--here's an IPS so you can test everything out. Good? Bad? Ugly? Incorrect map 16 tiles used somewhere? Make your voice known.

Singificant changes to this version:


At Slash Man's recommendation, I changed the simple wireframe FG to something a bit more complex, with animated binary and the like, and also added a bit of movement to some of the objects on the screens. Palette animations have also been made a bit more complex this time around--lots of things now glow, flow or pulse, even before the alarm. The alarm effects have similarly been made slightly more elaborate.


Combined the existing tileset with the blimp FG for a bit more variation, and also built a sort of pseudo BG from the pipes from that set. Due to the way the level is set up, it's necessarily divided between both layers 1 and 2, which can have a somewhat curious effect, but let me know whether or not you think it works.

Also two tiny non-visual edits to this sublevel, both on screen 03: I moved the reset door to the right one tile, as it was currently located right at the point where the player needed to press up to throw a shell toward the heavens, meaning it was easy to accidentally trigger, and moved a block (turn block with x-position dependent prize) one tile to the left one tile, as it was clearly intended to be a 1-up, but was currently acting as a very curiously placed vine.

Anyway, that covers all our paths of peril. Thoughts? Suggestions?
I really like the renditions of 180 and 182. There are a couple of things in 182 that were spaced kind of oddly though but it's more of a little personal gripe, nothing too drastic. That "Virus Detected" was a neat touch.

I think a post layout goes here somewhere...
182 should have a little more contrast in the palette for the inside blimp tileset, but other than that I have nothing else to add apart from that it looks super great and you're certainly doing the epic status of penultimate castle justice with these graphical updates.

aran - Graces of Heaven
I couldn't find the lone 2 in that mass of binary!

Your layout has been removed.
Hey, uhm, I don't if it's just me, but isn't this level too easy in its current stance compared to previous levels? Replacing some Venus Fire Traps to shoot two fireballs is one thing I can think of. It's damn fun to play through, but it seems off at its difficulty especially as the World 8 castle.


I should have something witty to put here (even if it's just to update dated info), shouldn't I?

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Counter-balanced by its sheer length.

Eh - it is pretty lengthy.

Never mind then.
Originally posted by Punk Sarcophagus

See the Roto-Discs. Its graphics can be repointed; just see 117's SP4 file for free space. (Perilous)
-The laser gate at the end of the computer room is all glitched out.

-The gravity room is unbeatable after the reset door area. If you hit the ON/OFF block from the upside-down state, you'll go back to normal, but you'll fall through all of the blue platforms along the bottom of the level.
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