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Vanilla Level Design 2008: Submissions

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Originally posted by pieguy1372
No ASM hacks EXCEPT for the ones that LM adds in there.

If LM didn`t make all those ASM hacks the game wouldn`t be editable at all...!

I think this will sum it up:

You can use everything LM provides, except the 8x8 tile editor. The only SMW GFX you can edit are those from "Nintendo Presents".
NOT EVERYTHING IN LM IS FAIR GAME.

Everything in SMW is (as well as the ASM hacks that LM adds in automatically).

EDIT: Beaten to some extent.
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Originally posted by S.N.N.
ANY FUNCTION USED IN LUNAR MAGIC AND THE ORIGINAL SUPER MARIO WORLD IS FAIR GAME.

Originally posted by Luigi-San
Originally posted by FirePhoenix0
But how many times do we have to say that you can't edit graphics at all? We must have said it at least once a page!

Listen, the whole point of this contest is to see who can create the best level using only what SMW provides. That means no new graphics, no modifying graphics, no ripped and added graphics, no custom graphics, no custom music, no ASM hacks, no HDMA additions, no custom sprites, no custom blocks, no use of the patches on the site and anything else that would lead to something that SMW did not have in the first place.

Is that a good enough explanation for what you can't do?


Well, SNN said that "Everything in LM is fair game" There's a GFX editor in LM, therefore that's fair game.

Yes but if we've said at the very beginning of the thread and in the rules for the contest that you can't change the graphics, then why should the question of whether or not the 8x8 tile editor is fair game even be a question? You aren't allowed to use it and that's that!

Sorry if I'm sounding like an asshole but I'm tired of answering this question all the time.
Are we allowed to get beta testers for the levels?
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I'll settle this.

Because people won't stop asking, here is a stupid ALLOWED and NOT ALLOWED list for graphics:

ALLOWED:
-Palette swaps via LM's palette editor
-Map16 manipulation via the 16x16 editor - I.E. mixing and matching existing bush tiles to make a new bush, or doing what spigmike did and mixing parts of the goal post to make a new Yoshi coin. Yes, this does mean you can change the "acts like" of blocks.
-Mixing and matching tilesets through an external tile editor. Thus, you are NOT altering the original GFX, you are simply moving tilesets together.

NOT ALLOWED:
-GFX ripped from other games
-Hand drawn GFX
-Any GFX other than the GFX used in the original SMW.

I'll repeat what I said one more time for emphasis: ANYTHING IN LUNAR MAGIC IS FAIR GAME, with the addition of that rule about tileset mixing.

The easiest rules, I swear...

EDIT: Finally, a question that isn't stupid. Yes, you can have beta testers for the levels, just don't let them post any of their feedback in the thread, and don't discuss the level.
Originally posted by Luigi-San
Originally posted by S.N.N.
ANY FUNCTION USED IN LUNAR MAGIC AND THE ORIGINAL SUPER MARIO WORLD IS FAIR GAME.


IS IT THAT HARD TO CREATE A LEVEL WITHOUT USING ADDED GRAPHICS???

pieguy: If you want to get beta-testers, feel free.
Adding on to that...

ALLOWED:
Changing the "Nintendo Presents" logo.
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Right. That is acceptable too.

By the way, you guys who keep complaining about GFX editing are really showing what your level design skill is like. This is a test of level design, not graphics. In fact, we hardly look at the graphics.

Just F.Y.I.
Originally posted by S.N.N.
Right. That is acceptable too.

By the way, you guys who keep complaining about GFX editing are really showing what your level design skill is like. This is a test of level design, not graphics. In fact, we hardly look at the graphics.

Just F.Y.I.


My kind of contest. ;)

Seriously guys, this isn't rocket science. It's pretty clear that they want no custom graphics whatsoever (other than logo), just mixing around palettes and functions of existing graphics. There's no need to continually try digging for loopholes, don't ruin this contest for all of us.

By the way, I've played through almost all of the levels listed for the contest and took the liberty to jot down quick reviews for them. Pros, cons, and a 1 to 10 rating. I know I can't post it now, so I'll probably just hold it until the contest is over.
NNID: JoshButton (Nickname: Buttons)
SMM Bookmark Account: Click here. Many fun levels to play! :)
It's my kind of contest too. I have experience with this, for proof see this.
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Since just after I posted my entry, all this thing about GFX editing or not took up about 1 page, I`ll Link to the post. Just in case someone forgets to add it. ^^;;
Precisely.

Few of us care to run these contests, FP and I being two that do. If you guys want these contests to continue, then don't blow it for everyone. If it's just going to be "well if I calculate the speed of sound in sulfuric acid, and then do a triple backflip, then that must mean that editing pixels in Lunar Magic is legal, right?" then you can find someone else to run these.

Out of the levels judged, no one has failed yet. The lowest score I have given is a 29.5/50, and the highest is a 48/50. It is not tough, just creatively design a level, and you're all set.

You have just over a week left to submit your level to the already-slightly-large cache of them. Have fun, and don't overthink this.


IMPORTANT EDIT: By the way, if anyone has done what Joshua has done and written reviews for the levels, please send them to me when the contest is over. I have a huge list of reviews going, and, while public reviews will not counted towards judging, they will help you, the creator, improve in the future. Consider this contest "practise". Thank you.
Ugh. I can't beat 48/50. I guess when the time comes I'll just drop my IPS in and hope for a win. ;_;
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Don't fret over the scores SNN posted. There are three judges and when the time comes for final judging, the final score for a level will be the average of the three scores. So who knows? That 48 may be lower when the judging process comes along. Just give it your all and don't forget there is second and third place too.

(I'm not saying this just to make you feel better. I really don't know if that 48 will get lower or not. I don't know the other judges scores yet.)
Originally posted by S.N.N.
Out of the levels judged, no one has failed yet. The lowest score I have given is a 29.5/50, and the highest is a 48/50. It is not tough, just creatively design a level, and you're all set.


Out of curiosity, have you rated "Haunted Isle" yet? >_>

And yeah, first place isn't really something you expect to get in a fierce competition like this. Just give it your all and hope for the best. Personally I'm hoping to make the top 5 at least... but it hard to tell for sure what others will find fun.

Edit: *just finished playing darklink's level*

...okay, how the heck is anyone supposed to beat that?! O.O
NNID: JoshButton (Nickname: Buttons)
SMM Bookmark Account: Click here. Many fun levels to play! :)
I have one thing to say.

I hope that you like puzzle levels. :O
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Super Wario Blah
[url=http://www.megaupload.com/?d=PW45TFXI]

A combination of 2 levels on my normal hack. Has a secret exit.
*starts trembling uncontrollably* GAH, I CAN'T RESIST ANY LONGER!!!

Shining Forest.

Now that I've entered the race, I expect you all to put that much more effort into your entries. For where I go, I am destined to find excellence among my surroundings. >=)

I promise I won't be a jerk if I lose, though... Good luck guys!
It's me!!

High on life is the best high.
I've got another question. I don't know how to make a link for my level. AT ALL. could someone tell me how?
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