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Originally posted by BBC news article
At least 12 people have been killed and dozens wounded in a shooting at a midnight cinema showing of the new Batman film near Denver, Colorado.

Witnesses said a man wearing a gas mask opened fire after tossing a tear gas canister in the auditorium as movie-goers watched The Dark Knight Rises.

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I wonder if theater security is going to be beefed up. Now you'll have reason to fear them checking your coat pockets for candy.



And the kill count was 15 last I heard. I've only heard rumors about the shooter's motive, but it seems he was doing it for recognition. To get his name in the papers. Dunno if he has a chip on his shoulder besides that.
I read that: i think James Holmes deserves instant death penality: those people are dangerous for the world.

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1) More expensive than keeping him alive.
2) Depending on cause, he could be rehabilitated.




Anywho, listened to the police chief's report on the radio. 12 deaths, 4 different guns (only 3 used), and the dude's apartment was booby trapped.
Originally posted by Dinomar
I read that: i think James Holmes deserves instant death penality: those people are dangerous for the world.


Agreed. He shouldn't get any leeway.
I read the booby traps article too: what a mess!!!
And one would rehabilitate this maniac? This is why i say those people just need death. Painful death. Those people don't even need to exist.
This is the insanity in a human form!!!

Is it expansive? Too bad.

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Or perhaps some hard time discipline shall change his barbaric behavior. Just killing someone for doing such crimes isn't going to help at all. It's not like Earth peace is going to happen right after such. And that is for when there is light, there is darkness. One or the other cannot exist alone. And of course, it was unfortanate to what happened to them.

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Like I said, depending on cause, he could be rehabilitated. Maybe he's just nuts. If he breaks out of that, he's no more a risk to society than you or I. Maybe he's a monstrous unrepentant sociopath too, in which case he should be separated from society 'till he dies. We don't know which he is.
Don't say me that this kind of people can be rehabilitated... please! Those people have problems from base, and i say i'm for death penality for it because you just get rid of a dangerous being from the world... even if there are other thousands of them.

Even discipline cannot fix this inhuman behavior.

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We should kill all Tigers and Lions too because they can kill us and you can make nice clothes from their fur!

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Originally posted by Dinomar
Don't say me that this kind of people can be rehabilitated... please! Those people have problems from base, and i say i'm for death penality for it because you just get rid of a dangerous being from the world... even if there are other thousands of them.

Even discipline cannot fix this inhuman behavior.

I'd like to see your psychology degree and studies showing that every single person who's ever acted on a violent desire is Evil (tm). 'Cause all I see so far is generalizations.
It's very likely this guy has a mental illness, especially because of the booby trap story. There's no way this guy is mentally sound.
I guess this movie is so good, it's worth killing over.

But I don't think I'll watch this movie any time soon anyway, I'd rather wait for the crowd to die down first.

Besides, none of my friends would go with me.
Every body saw it already.


On-topic though, I guess if there were any children with parents in that theater, they can now be just like their hero.

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Originally posted by Leod
We should kill all Tigers and Lions too because they can kill us and you can make nice clothes from their fur!

Originally posted by Kaijyuu

I'd like to see your psychology degree and studies showing that every single person who's ever acted on a violent desire is Evil (tm). 'Cause all I see so far is generalizations.



Why? First, we cannot compare any animal species with humans because it doesn't mean anything: carnivorous animals kill to eat, to combat hunger, while this monster called James Holmes killed just for the sake of doing it (when he got arrested he didn't even oppose to police, he just let them arrest him, which makes him even more insane), and even if he had a reason, that wouldn't be valid because, according to the current investigations, he wouldn't have anything to revenge, if he had.
Let's reading this, for example: it talks about the neightborhood's thoughts about Holmes before the tragedi... would you think he would revenge anyone? And even if he had a troubled childhood... you do something like he did??? No that must be mentally illed, otherwise, there is no explanation!

Then... Kajyuu or whatever: saying that a guy wearing like Bane and enters a theather, tries to kill everyone and hides chemical weapons with booby traps in his home is not evil is just inconsiderate! Don't you realize he caused havoc, fear and pain to over fifty people for no apparent reason (mabye a reason will come out in future)? Those people are insane, and insane people are evil! Remember, evil is not like the guy that does evil laugh in a goddamn movie or videogame, real life evil is this, along with other subjects (Ever heard about Gheddafi?). And you wouldn't punish a people like him because it can be restored to normal? This is the cloud cuckooland! Really, did you read what he did? He setted up a bomb in his home! And let's explaining what he would have wanted to do, according to cops: He set a timer to a radio that would start techno music with high sound volume, leading neightborhood call the police, so the police would break into James's apartament and blow up. So, you say a person like this doing things for "violent desire" is not evil, and that's and inconsiderate thing to say! Because i really don't think you would say this if you were in that theater! You don't need a psychology degree to understand the gravity of this situation! Put yourself in those survivors's shoes (especially who got hit by bullets) and try to realize how those people would feel instead of being so prissy and insensitive! You are taking this matter too lightly, it seems.
But I just replied in this way because so people won't think i cannot elaborate topics, so i won't give others a shitty image of me, but i know you won't read a word of what i have written (or at least: you won't pay attention) and will accuse me for being "evil" and "stone-hearthed".

But if you want either life or death sentence, at least, doesn't changes... but saying this is a recoverable subjuect is just inconsiderate.

And personally, if i try to put myself in their shoes, i just admin i cannot feel like them! But i feel angry!
Even because when i read about the article about that Jessica, who got killed in that theather... that just makes me upset and angry! Not only he killed people, then he would kill again with his bomb-apartament! His apartament is so full of explosives that the authorities cannot defuse every bomb so accurately so they will make the apartement explode with the bombs. They even discovered an internet account about sexual encounters, which is here!... That makes the matter even more terrible! I totally agree with setting guards and heavy security even in cinemas, after what happened in that cinema!
Urgh! You have to fear disasters like this even if you go to a goddamn cinema! And what will happen if i got to watch Brave? Will a freaky girl impersonating Merida come in the theater and start to shoot arrows to spectators? (sad sarcasm)

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Originally posted by Derpy Backslide
It's very likely this guy has a mental illness, especially because of the booby trap story. There's no way this guy is mentally sound.


What's especially painful to read is that the guy was a medical school student with absolutely no criminal record and a history of being a generally good guy. It leads one to believe that he must have just totally mentally snapped (disorder maybe?) and/or desperately wanted attention and fame. Stuff like this doesn't just spontaneously happen out of nowhere - there's definitely a reason or motive, and I'm really hoping they find out what it was.
Did... did my accusation of an associative fallacy just be called a chewbacca defense?

I'm not sure how to respond to that.


Could you at least accuse me of strawmanning? That at least might be valid, assuming we're talking past each other.



Re: His mental health.


I'm really not sure. I posted this on another forum so I'll just quote it:
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My gut feeling is that it was political.

This movie is definitely Hollywood's biggest right now. And Hollywood's one of those big giant corporations lobbying the government to the extreme. So why not attack it? Of course, a corporation isn't a person, so you can't hit it with guns. That doesn't mean some idiots won't try... it didn't stop Timothy McVeigh from trying to hit "the government" with a bomb, after all.

That's my theory anyway. Won't know for certain until mr Holmes says himself why he did it.


It's just me theorizing, but with all the occupy wallstreet stuff, and the fact this guy's educated and was about to face a life of wage slavery due to dropping out, it seems plausible to me his motive was fighting against big corporations. He could rationalize those in the theatre as sheep who support them.



Note that if my theory is actually correct, I'd support life imprisonment. Fighting monsters does not excuse becoming one, and what he did was definitely monstrous., regardless of the economic and social issues we're facing right now.
Originally posted by Kaijyuu
Did... did my accusation of an associative fallacy just be called a chewbacca defense?

I'm not sure how to respond to that.


So this is what you were meaning by "evil(tm)"? What does it mean? This means you should specify things so people could not misunderstand you. ("evil(tm)" in google doesn't give any useful info of it)

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I was going to give a large post against Dinomar's post but then I read...

Originally posted by Dinomar
Those people are insane, and insane people are evil!


and realized there was no point fighting a statement this stupid.
Originally posted by Derpy Backslide
I was going to give a large post against Dinomar's post but then I read...

Originally posted by Dinomar
Those people are insane, and insane people are evil!


and realized there was no point fighting a statement this stupid.


Why is that a stupid statement? Only because you (you is directed to others too) don't agree with a post i made doesn't mean you have to make me notice how stupid are my statements. Do i want death penality for those insane people? Too bad for you.

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There's a difference between "insane" and "psychopath". A psychopath is insane, but not all insane people are psychopaths.

To be honest, that comment was sort of ableist.
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