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ESP: Psychics and Mediums
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I don't remember how I suddenly became interested in this, but I think it would be cool to possess extrasensory perception (ESP) and other abilities related to it. I mean, I think it would be cool to be a psychic medium. I'm just an average student moving onto highschool, so I may as well start while I'm kinda-sorta-young.

So I was crazy enough to try to learn about it. I didn't delve very deep into it, I just did a few Google searches to try to discover how to develop ESP and become psychic, and I'm getting some weird results from various sites, such as:

1) Deck of 52 cards
2) Meditation
3) Tarots
4) Psychic circles (as in groups of psychics together)

There's a lot more, but I can't remember them off the top of my head.

So now, I could try it out, but I'm not sure if it's real or not. From what I read, hypnosis actually has been proven to work at the very least. Although, if it's not real, why would there be so much information about it on the internet? And it's not like they're all trying to sell me things, either.

I ask you, SMWC users. Do you know anyone who has psychic abilities? Can anyone you know speak to the dead, accurately read fortunes, or just use psychic powers in general?
Originally posted by Boometh
I think it would be cool to possess extrasensory perception (ESP) and other abilities related to it

Everybody does, because it would.

Originally posted by Boometh
So now, I could try it out, but I'm not sure if it's real or not

Look up "James Randi Educational Foundation". He offers a $1 million prize for anyone who can demonstrate psychic or other supernatural ability. It's unclaimed.
I don't know how people can believe in this stuff, it defies all science and reason. If psychics existed, we'd know by now, and would be training them for military use. (There was something like that in the 70s IIRC, but it was another wasted display of government incompetence that didn't go anywhere. Google "Project Stargate" to see what I'm talking about.) Trust me, all "psychics" out there are sort of like magicians, they're using illusions, sleight of hand, and mystic rhetoric to bullshit you. Any decent actor with a dishonest heart could become one. When they tell you stuff that comes true, they either told you something as broad as possible that was going to happen one time or another, or are simply telling you what you want to hear.
I am a psychic myself and I know very few other psychics. I may have the ESP ability naturally. I can tell the future through dreams, as well as communicate with ghosts and stuff like that. I do not know how I acquired these abilities though.
Originally posted by SMLink64
I am a psychic myself and I know very few other psychics. I may have the ESP ability naturally. I can tell the future through dreams, as well as communicate with ghosts and stuff like that. I do not know how I acquired these abilities though.

If you can correctly tell me tomorrow's lottery numbers before they're announced, I'll believe you, renounce my atheism/rationalism, and split half my winnings with you. If not, I believe you should seek some sort of psychiatric help. Sorry to be so harsh, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
But what if the ghosts tell him to not tell you the numbers? You need to think of all the possibilities that could occur.
Damn it Suns. Everything I was going to say to this thread you just said. Including the James Randi prize.

Personally, I believe all this supernatural stuff is mental garbage that restricts your sense of reality and connection to the world. There's nothing more shameful than lying to people on stage, and claiming to be something you yourself know that you're not. It's sad to see the amount of people that buy into this, as well. Things like Astrology and so on. I also feel bad for the people who've lied so much that they're lying to themselves, and end up actually believing they have these psychic powers.

It's all just wordplay, making something as broad as they possibly can without leading to doubt, or just straight up saying something to make the customer feel better. When they do say something negative, it's never even absolute, "It's possible that something bad may happen tomorrow if you're not careful" and so on. I wish people would stop deluding themselves from their own fantasies and enjoy the real world. Honestly, I think it's a very beautiful place with mysteries and secrets that we have yet to uncover.
I like to keep an open mind for these kind of things and say there's actually a possibility that they are real, rather than saying it doesn't exist out of the blue because it's "obvious" and "unreasonable"; but I can't confirm are real either unless I can experience them myself. Basically, I'm staying neutral until I can actually confirm they are real or not, it's not like if I'm interested in those stuff anyway.
Originally posted by Derpy Backslide
But what if the ghosts tell him to not tell you the numbers? You need to think of all the possibilities that could occur.

Or the more common "I don't need to prove myself to you".

One does need to prove them self to them self, however. When you fail to do so, assuming you aren't a liar trying to extort money from people, you should consider what it was that made you want to believe that you had psychic powers in the first place and work to solve that.

Originally posted by aj6666
I'm staying neutral until I can actually confirm they are real or not

You cannot prove the non-existence of something, despite James Randi's best efforts (seriously, you should look him up).
Sigh. Is this gonna go towards the Burden of Proof problem now?

Well, I'm just gonna link to Occam's Razor and move on, before I get tangled up in this mess.
Originally posted by HuFlungDu
You cannot prove the non-existence of something, despite James Randi's best efforts (seriously, you should look him up).

And that's exactly why I won't say it doesn't exist. I'm not saying all this paranormal stuff are necessarily real, I'm just saying there's a chance they might be real. In fact a lot of things we know nowadays were rejected at some time in the past because they were considered as fake; take a look at the history of any science and you'll get what I mean.
Originally posted by aj6666
And that's exactly why I won't say it doesn't exist

I posit that gravity is merely the actions of small purple men who pull you down after you leave the ground. Their motivation for doing so is because their source of sustenance is human frustration. You never see them because they are very good at hiding and very fast, and so can stay out of your line of sight. They could pull planes or birds down, but they choose not to because the small amount of frustration gained from planes and birds not flying is not equal to the amount of frustration human beings get from seeing those fly, but not being able to themselves. Fun note: These small purple men were the masterminds behind the creation of classic Dick Van Dyke movies "Marry Poppins" and "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" in order to increase our frustration at not being able to fly, under the assumption that we will all try what we see on TV. Dick Van Dyke himself is, in fact, a number of those small purple men dressed up in a trench coat with the one on top's face painted (The head is the right size because they have the ability to reshape their heads into whatever form they please, but it does have to stay purple), and that's why he does all those movies about flying.

At some point you just have to say "no".
And I thought I was the only person that knew how gravity really works. I'm glad you share my views, HuFlungDu.
Sokobansolver is actually one of those small purple men. He made this thread to spite our lack of ability to change the way things are pulled.
Originally posted by HuFlungDu
Sarcasm

You know, I actually was expecting something like that given how you tend to react. At this point it's pretty much clear discussing with you is a waste of time since you're not even capable of taking things seriously; I'll remember that for the future. Whatever, have fun being a squarehead.
Originally posted by SMLink64
I am a psychic myself and I know very few other psychics. I may have the ESP ability naturally. I can tell the future through dreams, as well as communicate with ghosts and stuff like that.


I can do the same thing with my dreams, except it happens very rarely. Also my family is known for being able to contact the dead, and to be able to communicate with them. I just ignore it though, some really strange things have happened...

Originally posted by aj6666
Originally posted by HuFlungDu
Sarcasm

You know, I actually was expecting something like that given how you tend to react. At this point it's pretty much clear discussing with you is a waste of time since you're not even capable of taking things seriously; I'll remember that for the future. Whatever, have fun being a squarehead.

I'm sorry, but what he posted wasn't Sarcasm. It was a theoretical scenario to challenge your claim of neutrality to things you cannot prove or disprove. He could have presented it better, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't read it and try to gain something from it.
Originally posted by aj6666
Originally posted by HuFlungDu
You cannot prove the non-existence of something, despite James Randi's best efforts (seriously, you should look him up).

And that's exactly why I won't say it doesn't exist. I'm not saying all this paranormal stuff are necessarily real, I'm just saying there's a chance they might be real. In fact a lot of things we know nowadays were rejected at some time in the past because they were considered as fake; take a look at the history of any science and you'll get what I mean.


The history of science shows us phenomenon that people used to credit to the supernatural eventually being explained better by the natural world once the real explanation is found Germ Theory of Disease vs. the hypothesis that witches cause diseases for example. There's never been a point in history where the reverse was the case where the scientific natural explanation has actually had to give ground to the supernatural. Since all people who believe in this sort of stuff ever seem to do is just cram the supernatural into all the places that science has yet to tread. So your analogy to the progress of science vs. the paranormal is not exactly comparing like and like I'm sorry.

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If you can't prove the existence of something, then it's something you shouldn't worry about. Any conclusion you make will not change your behavior.

Maybe there's a giant intangible, invisible elephant right next to me. Of the two possibilities, and the two conclusions I could draw (existence or non), the end result is exactly the same: he doesn't affect me.



So yeah, you can believe whatever you want to make up. That's fine. You also have my permission to punch anyone in the face who claims knowledge about unknowable things (rather than just belief). But ultimately it's a waste of time when you could be worrying about things that are of some actual consequence.


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The history of science shows us phenomenon that people used to credit to the supernatural eventually being explained better by the natural world once the real explanation is found Germ Theory of Disease vs. the hypothesis that witches cause diseases for example. There's never been a point in history where the reverse was the case where the scientific natural explanation has actually had to give ground to the supernatural. Since all people who believe in this sort of stuff ever seem to do is just cram the supernatural into all the places that science has yet to tread. So your analogy to the progress of science vs. the paranormal is not exactly comparing like and like I'm sorry.

That's because if something "supernatural" actually showed up, then it would no longer be considered "supernatural" at all.

We can build machines to make lightning. 1000 years ago, that would be considered magic. We don't consider it magic today, but "science."

There is nothing supernatural out there because it cannot exist by definition, else it would no longer be supernatural at all. If magic popped up, it would become a science. Same for ESP or whatever the hell else you want to bring up.
Originally posted by Sockbat Replica
The history of science shows us phenomenon that people used to credit to the supernatural eventually being explained better by the natural world once the real explanation is found Germ Theory of Disease vs. the hypothesis that witches cause diseases for example. There's never been a point in history where the reverse was the case where the scientific natural explanation has actually had to give ground to the supernatural.

Any sufficiently analyzed magic is just science :V
Only proves that once we understand something we won't undo that knowledge(*cough*, for the most part >__>)

Which brings me to my point, "any unexplainable occurrence is indistinguishable from magic"

Now we just have to find some unexplainable occurrences =P

Edit: DARNIT, Kaijyuu ninja'd this entire post in his edit >_<
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