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Originally posted by Sind
(well, unless you have perfectly analyzed the entire universe I guess)


~~and beyond~~

Having said that, it's not surprising to see so many people in this thread serving off psychics as complete BS, given the fact that many people in this userbase tend to think rather rationally. I'd like to hear opinions of the other side too (not the neutral side). The arguments here are becoming a little one-sided - surely there must be SOMETHING that may not prove, but at least give some more credit to the existance of supernatural occurances.

Personally though, I can't think of any. I am also somewhat neutral on the subject, as I do not feel I can simply dismiss the entire thing. However, I certainly believe people like Derek Ogilvie are no more than liars, criminals even if you will. Even if psychics do exist, he's definitely not one of them as he has failed numerous times. This is just one of the examples of "so-called psychics" who still earn millions thanks to the people who cannot or do not want to even acknowledge clear fallacies in these liars.

But, I am not going to actively try to stop him. As I said before, if people want to fall for it, then they should fall for it. Perhaps it's even beneficial to them psychologically. I will never take action against that.

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Originally posted by Roy
Originally posted by Sind
(well, unless you have perfectly analyzed the entire universe I guess)


~~and beyond~~

Having said that, it's not surprising to see so many people in this thread serving off psychics as complete BS, given the fact that many people in this userbase tend to think rather rationally. I'd like to hear opinions of the other side too (not the neutral side). The arguments here are becoming a little one-sided - surely there must be SOMETHING that may not prove, but at least give some more credit to the existance of supernatural occurances.

Personally though, I can't think of any. I am also somewhat neutral on the subject, as I do not feel I can simply dismiss the entire thing. However, I certainly believe people like Derek Ogilvie are no more than liars, criminals even if you will. Even if psychics do exist, he's definitely not one of them as he has failed numerous times. This is just one of the examples of "so-called psychics" who still earn millions thanks to the people who cannot or do not want to even acknowledge clear fallacies in these liars.

But, I am not going to actively try to stop him. As I said before, if people want to fall for it, then they should fall for it. Perhaps it's even beneficial to them psychologically. I will never take action against that.


I admit, that in our universe are things we still don't know, we still have million of questions like "Why we're here?", "What is our purpose" etc.

But still, like you said, I would like to see a real proof of the existence of supernatural occurances.

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Tarek701 is dead.
Btw, it's actually not possible to prove anything supernatural, because they're defined to not exist :V
Basically, if we do discover the ability to levitate objects with our minds, it would no longer be "super"; It would be just another occurrence.
Again, "any sufficiently analyzed magic is just science"

And if you disagree with that, and say that any fascinating occurrence should count as supernatural, then I can tell you that we have the ability to take in oxygen from our surroundings and use it to keep our body fresh. That's pretty darn awesome if you ask me =P
Originally posted by Tarek701
But still, like you said, I would like to see a real proof of the existence of supernatural occurances.


Originally posted by Sind
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Actually, what I was asking for was not a proof, but an assumption, something that makes supernatural occurences likely despite not being evidence that these occurences actually exists.

Basically, the unexplainable.

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--------> Don't follow "Find Roy's Dignity", my hack. Because it's pretty outdated. <--------
Perhaps I should take this opportunity to bring up something relevant that no one seems to have brought up yet: Pareidolia, or the act of seeing patterns that aren't there via selective perception. Ladies and gentlemen, take a look at the small picture below:



I find it stunning that our brains are wired to intuitively recognize that abstract jumble of lines and circles as a face. Our brains aren't perfect, but they're awesome at recognizing faces, to the point where we see them when they aren't there. Remember those "Satan's face in 9/11" videos littered across the absolute bowels of YouTube? Pareidolia works that way, and is likely responsible for a decent number of religons and conspiracy theories. I'm no brain scientist, but I believe Paredolia selectively shuts out everything to confirm our own beliefs. This is why The Wizard of Oz appears to synchronize with Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon: our brains ignore things that don't match but are awed by the things that do.

This is why people are so amazed when vague predictions from psychics come loosely true. What often happens is that the "psychic" says something vague and inevitable, filters it through rhetoric and acting, and whenever the psychic's inevitable "prediction" comes true, suckers will come back for more.
I never really thought of Pareidolia that way before. What you're saying is really interesting, Suns.
There was a show on discovery a while back I think about the "trade" of psychics where they just laid out how it was done and the process was similar.
Everything people say about these mystical concepts sounds like it should be quantifiable by science at least in consistent human observation, but it never is. That should raise some skepticism.

Also @science: what we seek in science is not neccessarily the truth that is objective and universal, but one that is observable and universal. That is, although we cannot know what we see is pure truth, we can construct a model so accurate that in any given human situation it functions as science predicts it does. Thermodynamics, for isntance, predict how heat (and a few other things) function. Although we can't know that this model is absolutely true (in the eyes of a all-knowing god, so to speak,), nothing we do is capable of making that model behave incorrectly. So for all intents and purposes, it is true to a human. And when you start getting that existensial, as The Matrix occasionally deals with, it really doesn't matter whether its true or not because you inherently can't know.
So, well. I'm the one, who posted last time, that I don't believe in those "supernatural" occurences, as I have never seen a proof. But after I've wrote my last reply here, I've started to search and get the proof myself. I've read some books, however all those were unrealistic and hadn't anything to do with reality. So, I've discovered two parts of the esoteric culture:

- The one part of occultists, aren't occultists, but charlatans selling books for a high amount of money, useless books, that don't give any lesson on this.

- The other part of occultists are those people, who are really serious about this, yes seeing this already as a science. Those have way clear books, are more logically as the most others there.

After I've discovered this, I started researching better for books, which are actually teaching this for serious. I've then discovered a book, which is really overwhelming and not only for occultists, yes it's even for general scientists or musicians. It's unbelieveable. But it's logic can be used everywhere.

The book is called: "Initation into Hermetics" by Franz Bardon.
The book is somewhere freely available, it's the 1987 edition, which I prefer, as newer editions are misunderstood and wrong.
I've got the edition here:
http://files.vsociety.net/data/library/Section%205%20%28C,%20I,%20O,%20U%29/Bardon,%20Franz/The%20Holy%20Mysteries/Initiation%20into%20Hermetics.pdf
(It's allowed to release this edition. Ask the publishers. They've said, that we're freely allowed to spread around this 1987 edition anywhere on the internet. However, newer or older editions are not allowed to be shared. However, because Franz Bardon is long dead, nothing new can be added to it, mainly just some corrections, which are useless, because some are even wrong and mess up the understanding of the book)

It's teaching magic in 10 steps. However, those 10 steps aren't done in five or ten minutes. It varies. But the one, who seriously does it, will take up around 2-3 years to go through all steps.

Hermetics is the logical system, which works on every effect you're seeing and can describe situations exactly. Hermetics is combining every science and religion in itself, through analogies. (Ex.: Atoms and solar system. Something like that; It's also called the principle of correspondence)

Just saying: The Principle of Polarity embodies the idea that everything is dual, everything has two poles, and everything has its opposite. All manifested things have two sides, two aspects, or two poles. Everything "is" and "isn't" at the same time, all truths are but half truths and every truth is half false, there are two sides to everything, opposites are identical in nature, yet different in degree, extremes meet, and all paradoxes may be reconciled.
This should conclude Maxx's post.

The seven principles of hermetics are:
The principle of mentalism
The principle of correspondence
The principle of vibration
The principle of polarity
The principle of rhythm
The principle of cause and effect
The principle of gender

You can read in wikipedia something about it. It's the "Kybalion" article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kybalion
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The explaintation of supernatural phenomenons is:
"Mentality" means, as definition from hermetics, thoughts or images of thoughts. But NO FEELINGS! Feelings are coming from the "astral" body. The mental body contains the thoughts and pictures, the astral body contains the feelings. Remember that those bodies are not apart from eachother, they're one and the same. It's complicated to explain this, it's like "Evolution". Some parts are similar to the physical body, some are similar to the others and so on.

Now, there's a mental plane, physical plane and astral plane. Also, those are not apart from eachother, they are one and the same. Example: You never find a polar desert at the end of a sand desert. Everything needs time. It's an evolutionary process and you will have to go near the equator.

Now, those who actually trained those methods can cause a "mental phenomenon". I've said, that every body is one and the same and so, the principle of cause and effect will take in action. So, if I cause a mental cause, it will take effect in all bodies and planes and so it will take effect on the astral body, on the astral plane and take effect on the physical body, on the physical plane.

Thing is just: While mental phenomenons are big, their effect is getting lower and lower, the more it comes to the physical plane. That's because the vibration of our thoughts is getting coarser, so the effect on physical plane is not really that big and is mostly a little manipulation(look at manipulation of random number generators or other "easy" environment manipulation, which aren't really significant enough to prove these abilities in physics)

Problem is: Physics is a science made for the physical plane, not the others. And so, it cannot describe other planes, as their physical laws are not valid there anymore. However, all seven principles can be found on every plane, so hermetics is a science, which can be used to discover laws on all planes and maybe create an own science for them.

I've created a psi-wheel and tried to experiment with it. I've closed all windows, used not strong light, my mouth was far enough from the psi-wheel so my air cannot manipulate this. I've first tried it with hands. Of course, the physical explaintation is thermodynamics. Then I tried it without hands, it also worked. But physical explaintation would be also thermodynamics. So, what does this mean? Exactly, every cause and effect is connected through all bodies, meaning, that it doesn't matter how you do something, as it will result in a physical explaintation. So, you can say, I'm the one who causes this thermodynmaics. However, the cause for this lies not in our plane, it lies on the mental plane. And that effect, takes action on the physical plane, thus you can explain the phenomenon through physics, but not explain the cause for it, as it lies on the mental plane. That's actually the place, where the manipulation comes from.

I've proved myself, that those phenomenons exist and can be caused consciously. Those who deny it, shall deny it. I did the same, until I realized, that I have to discover it MYSELF, than searching for results done by others.

Greetings,
Tarek701.

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Tarek701 is dead.
Interesting. I also have do some research and I agree with what you say, Tarek701, about charlatans and serious people. I'll read the book you posted because looks very interesting.

Magic commonly is defined as "changing reality according your will", and under that simple definition we can include a lot of kind of arts and sciences, which I feel is better. We can "change" reality at our will through physics, or even through simpler things like throwing a rock, i.e. to break a mirror, we can "change" the direction of certain phenomena. However, many people thinks magic(k) is some kind of way to break natural laws and logic, but surely thats impossible.

Sincerely I don't believed in psychic powers until I realized sometimes I can "see" the future, like when I'm about to draw a card from a 44 cards deck and I see the picture of the card in my mind before drawing it. When I try to understand why this happens I prefer to think is something about my subconscious deducting things I can not deduce normally, but it's still so interesting...
Originally posted by Monster Reborn
Interesting. I also have do some research and I agree with what you say, Tarek701, about charlatans and serious people. I'll read the book you posted because looks very interesting.

Magic commonly is defined as "changing reality according your will", and under that simple definition we can include a lot of kind of arts and sciences, which I feel is better. We can "change" reality at our will through physics, or even through simpler things like throwing a rock, i.e. to break a mirror, we can "change" the direction of certain phenomena. However, many people thinks magic(k) is some kind of way to break natural laws and logic, but surely thats impossible.

Sincerely I don't believed in psychic powers until I realized sometimes I can "see" the future, like when I'm about to draw a card from a 44 cards deck and I see the picture of the card in my mind before drawing it. When I try to understand why this happens I prefer to think is something about my subconscious deducting things I can not deduce normally, but it's still so interesting...


If you read Franz Bardons book, you will be able to answer why those abilities work, and what cause they have. Seeing into future is expansion, meaning electric fluid. Just read more about it in the book.

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Tarek701 is dead.
Hello, im new here.
I have a question.
I have this address 80072A3C and has a instruction
if i go to RDRAM and NOP it work fine in emu runtime but i want to make permanent there is a way to know from what ROM address this instruction come?
you're supposed to post these kinds of questions in the "general smw hacking help" forum. and i think you kinda bumped the thread.

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Currently: Starting college!
Originally posted by mario and luigi
you're supposed to post these kinds of questions in the "general smw hacking help" forum. and i think you kinda bumped the thread.

You also shouldn't backseat moderate.

Although he's correct, questions like that goes to General SMW Hacking Help (and maybe your subforums). I'm going to close that because the bump and the backseat.
Originally posted by mario and luigi
you're supposed to post these kinds of questions in the "general smw hacking help" forum.

No, he's not. This isn't SMW; it's an N64 game. Therefore, it belongs here or here, depending on whether it's SM64.
(Yes, I'm posting in a closed thread. I don't want him to be redirected twice.)

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