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should weed be legal

should it be legal or illegal
I personally think drugs need to be proven too dangerous before they can be outlawed.

Weed is legal in plenty of countries, how many died from it? If you had a room full of people high as a kite & a room full of people drunk as hell; which room will most likely be peaceful & which will be full of loud, violent, gibberish speaking people?




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I don't know what to think personally as I've had evidence presented to me by people from both sides of the spectrum that the drug is (n)either good or bad for you, and it's all very confusing to say the least.

Still, I could see myself supporting it in the future based on this chart.
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I wouldn't mind it if weed was legalized. There is absolutely no problem that I can see. Almost all the people I work with smoke weed, and they get more done than me haha(I am new, but still they are good at what they do).

Many people have the idea "oh, if pot is legalized, EVERYONE IS GOING TO START SMOKING IT!!!!!11!1!", which is false. I tried marijuana, and I did not really like it, just wanted to try it. And look at me now, I am not smoking weed. The same thing with gay marriage, a lot of people are like "Oh no, if homosexuals are allowed to get married, than everyone is going to be gay! Including me, even though I am married and have 5 kids!!!!!11!1!", which is pretty unrealistic. I have heard some crazy [email protected]#! from some people, and their ideas which sound really ignorant once they start pouring from their mouths. I do not understand why people cannot (or will not) look at the benefits. There would obviously be some more income for the states, people would be happier, healthier people, and it isn't like marijuana has killed anyone.

Simply put, if you do not like it, that is okay. Just look at the multitude of benefits, look up some facts, and type in some questions on Google. At first Conal, I didn't believe that last part in the chart you got there, but I looked it up quickly, and that is right actually. And if you look at the abovetheinfluence site, they no longer have anything on marijuana.
Ok sorry Conal but I have to call bullshit on that chart. Weed isn't magic, it can't cure cancer, nothing can. Also, while Weed hasn't exactly been the direct cause of death notably, people have died because of dumb decisions made while on weed.

But either way, I would say yes, lets legalize Weed, it will give me something to do in the summer.
Originally posted by Conal
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Since when Alcohol causes cancer? #ab{:S}
Well I'm not certain if legal drugs are such a great idea...
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I alwas wonder what effects "weed" exactly has - I mean I tried alcohol and to be honest, it isn't so great...(and I never get drunk, how boring!)

Could some people, if they are arguing that weed should be legal, what exactly in there experience weed does to your body ?
Weed is (not surprisingly enough) legal here in The Netherlands, as long as you own this "weed pass" or whatever. I haven't really looked into it. There are even coffeeshops around here dedicated to things like drugs.

And then you get ads like this


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Originally posted by Volke
Ok sorry Conal but I have to call bullshit on that chart. Weed isn't magic, it can't cure cancer, nothing can

This is why you don't let people who are on drugs argue the same point you are trying to make. There are claims that weed cures cancer, but as far as I can tell that's just people misinterpreting that weed can help some people to more easily deal with chemo. "It helps with cancer", and people who smoke weed don't look too far into these claims.

As much as I disparage people who smoke weed (because they are retarded), as I've said before, I think legalizing marijuana, and in fact all drugs, would be basically one of the best things that could happen on the planet at this time. Morally it's obvious, adults should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as they aren't hurting anyone else, but the positive affects would be amazing as well. Most obviously, the government would stop having to spend so much money to imprison these people (over 1,000,000 people imprisoned a year) which means less debt to be extracted from future generations. Beyond that, it basically gets rid of drug cartels, saving huge amounts of lives (80% of drug related crime is distribution related, legalizing drugs removes, essentially, all of that) and stops funding to some really terrible people. The prices would drop substantially, reducing the meme of people stealing money for drugs. All in all, crime would see a significant drop. Outside of the United States, particularly in third world countries, it would free up much of the land currently used for production of drug products, particularly coca, for use in more useful endeavors, like food creation, creating a boost in those economies and saving many more lives.
Legalizing all kinds of drugs, as well as weed, would be a step forward to reduce criminality (or maybe not, explained further ahead), but I guess that it would come at costs of other factors, like the bad side effects that most of the powerful drugs cause (I mean, their capacity to cause death in several cases).

It's a very hard topic to talk about, because our subjective opinions are very variable, and if an experiment was made, all of our opinions could be most likely proven different. So I'd not like to take any side on that - just rather stay neutral.
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It might be legal to be used on medicine, but totally forbidden otherwise. If it isn't necessary at all and it's dangerous for the society, why to allow it then (again not speaking of medicine)?
Originally posted by Koopster
it's dangerous for the society, why to allow it then (again not speaking of medicine)?


I'd say that if people dies from them because of their own stubborness, those death statistics would make people reflect more about their usage. They'll think more than twice before using lethal substances. We'd have no guilt on their decisions. If people want to go ahead and destroy themselves, who am I to stop them? I'd just stay in my corner.
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Weed don't kill anyone. So it MUST be legalized.
I never saw any 'pothead' in rehab. The risk of addiction is also lower than the cigarette and soda, for example. Since these last two do far more harm than weed and alcohol and are released almost everywhere in the world.

The tendency is that all drugs will be legalized, while the number of consumers drop dramatically. All at once.

You need to know: Who smokes weed for fun can not think the same will help you with your health. Since, in fact, only makes you slower, although the consequences are not as serious as other types of drugs.

If everyone has awareness of his actions, weed will become beneficial to the whole society. But the prejudice is still rife, unfortunately.
Originally posted by Icebox
Weed don't kill anyone. So it MUST be legalized.


Even if weed was a dangerous drug it's still wrong to criminalize it just because it's bad for you. In a truly free society people will be left behind.
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Originally posted by Sockbat Replica
Originally posted by Icebox
Weed don't kill anyone. So it MUST be legalized.


Even if weed was a dangerous drug it's still wrong to criminalize it just because it's bad for you. In a truly free society people will be left behind.


That's what I think. Basically what's been said by HuFlungDu here:

Originally posted by HuFlungDu
Morally it's obvious, adults should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as they aren't hurting anyone else

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Originally posted by Q-Bee
That's what I think. Basically what's been said by HuFlungDu here:


Originally posted by HuFlungDu
Morally it's obvious, adults should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as they aren't hurting anyone else


Yes, but the US Government feels like they have to babysit us, and keep all fears and potentially harmful events away from the people. They should at least try legalizing it, and if it doesn't work out, reinstate prohibition. But of course they will not risk a trial run. Well... in Colorado recreational usage is legal, I haven't heard anything bad happening over there that includes marijuana.

There's no good goddamn reason to ban marijuana. It makes about as much sense as banning caffeine.


As for the rest of the drugs that are actually harmful, I'm pro legalizing them as well, and instead putting all the money we currently shove into the drug war into fighting things like DUIs. As someone else mentioned, people have a right to harm themselves, provided they know what they're doing. However, they have no right to harm others.

In my perfect world you'd fill out a test determining whether you knew what you were getting into or not, and if you passed, you could take whatever drug you wanted.
I don't think the state should protect us from putting things in our own bodies. If there were no illegal drugs then criminal gangs would have less power.

Originally posted by Volke
Ok sorry Conal but I have to call bullshit on that chart. Weed isn't magic, it can't cure cancer, nothing can. Also, while Weed hasn't exactly been the direct cause of death notably, people have died because of dumb decisions made while on weed.

But either way, I would say yes, lets legalize Weed, it will give me something to do in the summer.

I posted the chart, but I don't necessarily agree with all points on there. I know that weed can help deal with the pain caused by cancer.

Originally posted by boo block
Originally posted by Conal
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Since when Alcohol causes cancer? #ab{:S}


Since oesophageal, liver, breast & bowel cancer. You ignoramus.

Source.
- "Alcohol is one of the most well established causes of cancer"

Originally posted by Shog
Well I'm not certain if legal drugs are such a great idea...


Drugs that are already legal (legal highs) are some of the worst, but if you argument is to whether or not illegal drugs should be legalised; do research & see for yourself. It's just politics that decided it's wrong in certain countries.

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I alwas wonder what effects "weed" exactly has - I mean I tried alcohol and to be honest, it isn't so great...(and I never get drunk, how boring!)


Then drink more, but while having a laugh.

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Could some people, if they are arguing that weed should be legal, what exactly in there experience weed does to your body ?


Weed relaxes your muscles. It can make you very chilled out, peaceful & happy. Side effects include slightly bloodshot eyes from dryness.

If you take too much weed you will notice your heart beating much faster & your muscles become more stiff. Some people at this point get rewinds or panic.

Then you have even more, if feels like you're glued to what ever you're sitting on & flying at an intense speed. It's amassing, but only if you have the mental power to deal with it.

If you're not fit for weed the worst you'll get is feeling sick for a bit.

Originally posted by Ersanio
Weed is (not surprisingly enough) legal here in The Netherlands, as long as you own this "weed pass" or whatever. I haven't really looked into it. There are even coffeeshops around here dedicated to things like drugs.

And then you get ads like this


baw #ab{;_;}


I want to live in a legitimately weed smoking country like The Netherlands.

Originally posted by HuFlungDu
Originally posted by Volke
Ok sorry Conal but I have to call bullshit on that chart. Weed isn't magic, it can't cure cancer, nothing can

This is why you don't let people who are on drugs argue the same point you are trying to make.


I'm not on drugs, I drink & smoke a lot. Are you judging me by my beard? My beard is very offended.

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There are claims that weed cures cancer, but as far as I can tell that's just people misinterpreting that weed can help some people to more easily deal with chemo. "It helps with cancer", and people who smoke weed don't look too far into these claims.


That's my point of view also, I didn't make the chart.

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As much as I disparage people who smoke weed (because they are retarded), as I've said before, I think legalizing marijuana, and in fact all drugs, would be basically one of the best things that could happen on the planet at this time. Morally it's obvious, adults should be allowed to do whatever they want with their bodies as long as they aren't hurting anyone else, but the positive affects would be amazing as well. Most obviously, the government would stop having to spend so much money to imprison these people (over 1,000,000 people imprisoned a year) which means less debt to be extracted from future generations. Beyond that, it basically gets rid of drug cartels, saving huge amounts of lives (80% of drug related crime is distribution related, legalizing drugs removes, essentially, all of that) and stops funding to some really terrible people. The prices would drop substantially, reducing the meme of people stealing money for drugs. All in all, crime would see a significant drop. Outside of the United States, particularly in third world countries, it would free up much of the land currently used for production of drug products, particularly coca, for use in more useful endeavors, like food creation, creating a boost in those economies and saving many more lives.


Sure, so long as they can pay for rehab. I notice you called weed smokers retarded, why? That's a bit judgemental for something used by so many people. I know plenty of school teachers who smoke pot.

Originally posted by Sockbat Replica
Originally posted by Icebox
Weed don't kill anyone. So it MUST be legalized.


Even if weed was a dangerous drug it's still wrong to criminalize it just because it's bad for you. In a truly free society people will be left behind.


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Originally posted by Conal
Then drink more, but while having a laugh.


... what.

So wait, you are suggesting that somebody get drunk, possibly get themselves into a bad situation, and maybe even get addicted to something that's proven to be a depressant and can cause cancer?

OK.

While I do think all drugs should be legalized, they should only be legalized to stop people using them, not so that they would use them if they wanted to. Seriously, how many people take illegal drugs just so they can have something they can't? I would personally suggest that you should take no non-medical drugs ever, as they can be only bad for you (seriously, caffine, which isn't looked on as a drug by most, can change your mind, forcing you to drink it just to be at normal mental capacity.)

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EDIT: tl;dr; I'll take this great quote from a user here to explain my stance on drugs:

Originally posted by SoksobanSolver
I would rather cut my own legs off and then be force fed them while watching Secret of NIMH 2 and then be forced to play CrazyBus than smoke anything.
I feel like some drugs such as cocaine and heroin wouldn't do any good if they were legalized because their consumption, when it leads to addiction, can often hurt more people than just the consumer.

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