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should weed be legal

Originally posted by Ultimaximus
I feel like some drugs such as cocaine and heroin wouldn't do any good if they were legalized because their consumption, when it leads to addiction, can often hurt more people than just the consumer.

People will still use them regardless of their legality, and additional people will get hurt due to our efforts trying to prevent their use.

Prohibition doesn't work, and just makes things worse.
Originally posted by BlackMageMario
... what.

So wait, you are suggesting that somebody get drunk, possibly get themselves into a bad situation, and maybe even get addicted to something that's proven to be a depressant and can cause cancer?

OK.


No. I think you're being obtuse on purpose there. The point I make is that weed is healthier than alcohol.

That doesn't mean I'm saying alcohol shouldn't be consumed, alcohol is great too. But for all the problems alcohol causes while still being legal, surely you could legalise pot too? That's my argument.

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While I do think all drugs should be legalized, they should only be legalized to stop people using them, not so that they would use them if they wanted to. Seriously, how many people take illegal drugs just so they can have something they can't?


I think that's a minor reason that very few people would take drugs for. If anything, it being illegal discourages it from a lot of people I know. They still do it, but are less comfortable about it. They can't do it in public.

If you do things just because they're illegal then you're an anarchist.

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I would personally suggest that you should take no non-medical drugs ever, as they can be only bad for you (seriously, caffine, which isn't looked on as a drug by most, can change your mind, forcing you to drink it just to be at normal mental capacity.)

- BlackMageMario


You might feel that non-medical drugs are a big no-no. But do you think the common man should have the freedom to it if they so wish?



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Originally posted by Conal
You might feel that non-medical drugs are a big no-no. But do you think the common man should have the freedom to it if they so wish?


Is it freedom to destroy your life and your body? (and I said that I would personally suggest. I wasn't saying that "GRR YOU ARE A BAD PERSON YOU SHOULD GO ROT IN HELL. GRR", I was just saying that I would recommend you never touch the stuff. It can only do damage.)

Originally posted by Conal
No. I think you're being obtuse on purpose there. The point I make is that weed is healthier than alcohol.


That's not what I quoted. I quoted you suggesting someone should get drunk. And besides, weed being healthier than alcohol doesn't mean it won't damage your health. Besides, why do you need "recreational" drugs? Cause I can sure tell you, it doesn't help you socially, and if you need alcohol and ciriates to socialize, then you have a big problem.

Originally posted by Conal
I think that's a minor reason that very few people would take drugs for. If anything, it being illegal discourages it from a lot of people I know. They still do it, but are less comfortable about it. They can't do it in public.


Here's your proof that drugs being illegal is a major reason why they are used.

- BlackMageMario
I feel like making drugs legal would make it easier to get them so more people would use them, but BMM's link brings up an interesting case. This certainly makes a good point

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Short answer: No

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo also there's no positives in drug abuse.


Originally posted by Conal

Always trust images from Facebook, as they are known to tell the truth.

But yeah, this picture is complete bullshit. Both are drugs, both should be illegal. The image gets points though for bringing up "positives" about Marijuana that were made up on the spot.
i have lost many friends to harder drugs mainly that i wouldnt dare to mess around with. but like ive heard, nobody in recorded history has ever died DUE to marijuana. i think they dont really want it legal because people can just grow their own. and it will probably be a hell of alot better than what thel be selling in stores. i tried it its not really my thing but if alchohol is legal theres NO reason pot shouldnt be. so far Washington and Colorada have legalized for recreational use and the new England states i heard are going to be the next ones. ill wait till it IS legal for me but when it is.. Dam right im smokin a fat ass L
Originally posted by DaxterSpeed
*stuff about comparing alcohol and marijuana*

Both are drugs, both should be illegal.

Are you willing to have many more ruined lives, people dead, and numerous illegal cartels running around causing havoc, just as a matter of principle?

Take a good hard look at the drug war. How effective do you see it to be?
Also take a good look at our history. Are the reasons we stopped that no longer valid today?


More lives are ruined trying to prevent drug use than drug use itself causes (EDIT: Illegal drug use, I should clarify. Not counting alcohol and tobacco here). Does make a few select cartels filthy rich, though.
I'm all for legalization. It's tax revenue, saves police resources, busts drug cartels, and its criminality is very inconsistent. Arguably, alcohol and tobacco are far worse for the body. We could live in one of three worlds: World A has all drugs and alcohol illegal. Didn't work in the Prohibition era, wouldn't work now. World B legalizes all of them - probably not desirable when looking at the effects of drugs like meth. World C would allow legality to a certain level - drugs beyond that "level" would be illegal. That's probably the best approach, yet it would call for marijuana's legalization.
Originally posted by Kaijyuu
Originally posted by DaxterSpeed
*stuff about comparing alcohol and marijuana*

Both are drugs, both should be illegal.

Are you willing to have many more ruined lives, people dead, and numerous illegal cartels running around causing havoc, just as a matter of principle?

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More lives are ruined trying to prevent drug use than drug use itself causes (EDIT: Illegal drug use, I should clarify. Not counting alcohol and tobacco here). Does make a few select cartels filthy rich, though.

I'm answering the question "should weed be legal" the way it is asked by xanden. I very much believe that weed and all other drugs should have been illegal from the very "start". The one reason we have such a widespread abuse of alcohol in Sweden is that it was used to "fool" workers into just accepting their terrible pay, if that never happened alcohol would have been taken more seriously and a ban could have very much been possible a few years ago.

However, from this point in time we can't just "ban all drugs" and expect everything to be fine. There's too much money in it, there's too many people already addicted to both the legal and the illegal drugs.

The only proposed solution that has made any kind of sense is legalization, but I personally don't think things will get better just because it's suddenly legal (there's of course more to legalization than that, but still).
Ah, so you're saying "I wish we would've stopped it before it spread" type thing. Okay, I can kinda accept that.

I will note however that new drugs are developed all the time, made illegal, and still get distributed. I don't think these sort of things can be "nipped in the bud," so to speak, so I don't think your ideal solution is practical.

As for the benefits of legalization, for the USA at least, it's from illegal organizations losing power, people in jail for stupid reasons being released, regulation so things like lacing don't happen anymore, and a few questionable businesses popping up if all you care about is economics. Use will rise dramatically at the start, then sink lower than what is was before (as always happens with drug legalization).
Originally posted by Conal
I'm not on drugs, I drink & smoke a lot. Are you judging me by my beard? My beard is very offended.

I'm judging whoever made that picture based on their, at best, intellectual dishonesty, at worst, paranoid schizophrenia. If that was you, then I am judging you based on that. If it wasn't you (I never assumed it was, and you have stated that it wasn't) I'm not judging you at all, you merely posted a picture you considered humorous.

Originally posted by Conal
I notice you called weed smokers retarded, why? That's a bit judgemental for something used by so many people. I know plenty of school teachers who smoke pot.

I know plenty of school teachers who watch The Jersey Shore, they're still retarded.

Originally posted by DaxterSpeed
Both are drugs, both should be illegal

At least you're consistent, I guess.
Originally posted by HuFlungDu
Originally posted by Conal
I notice you called weed smokers retarded, why? That's a bit judgemental for something used by so many people. I know plenty of school teachers who smoke pot.

I know plenty of school teachers who watch The Jersey Shore, they're still retarded.


I loled.

Yeah, I think MJ should be legalized. I don't really have any reasons that haven't already been stated, so yeah.
Originally posted by Kaijyuu
As for the benefits of legalization, for the USA at least, it's from illegal organizations losing power, people in jail for stupid reasons being released, regulation so things like lacing don't happen anymore, and a few questionable businesses popping up if all you care about is economics. Use will rise dramatically at the start, then sink lower than what is was before (as always happens with drug legalization).


This is what makes me impartial. In my opinion, the question of pot legalization shouldn't be over the benefits of marijuana, as they obviously exist. (it doesn't cure cancer, obviously that chart is an overstatement). More likely, the topic should be over whether legalizing it would be beneficial to society. I mean, yes, pot is less dangerous for your body than alcohol, but what about the effects it does to cloud the mind? People lose their judgement and do stupid shit under the influence... Since I am in the middle of this issue, I say legalize it with an age restriction. That'll at least keep the kiddies in school.
Originally posted by BlackMageMario
Is it freedom to destroy your life and your body?


Yes. If there's ever a property rights argument to be made it has to begin with you own your body. If you don't even own your own body then what really do you own? I do have a right to do something stupid and destroy my body if that is my wish. As it turns out I don't do drugs I've never even had a single sip of alcohol in my entire life however in a truly free society I have to have the freedom to make bad choices.

A lot of the arguments I'm reading are about either the supposed benefits of pot or that it it less harmful than alcohol. Also a few comments I've read were about the tax revenue that would be made from legalizing it. On this subject I don't like the pragmatic arguments that get made over drugs I'm more concerned about the moral issue and that it is immoral for society to imprison someone for a crime that is truly victimless.

Take the example of alcohol it doesn't matter how many car crashes or domestic abuse cases are caused by it, it is still not fair to the people who use alcohol responsibly to just ban it outright. Same logic should apply to other drugs. As someone who doesn't do drugs and has no desire to do drugs I think it should be legal to buy pot or hallucinogenic mushrooms or anything else at Walmart because it is not society's job to protect people from themselves.
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Originally posted by BlackMageMario
Is it freedom to destroy your life and your body?

That is the only thing that gives freedom meaning. "Free to do the right thing" only means following the will of your master and you personally happen to agree with his will. The only way for freedom to mean anything at all is for you to be free to go against the will of one who would be your master.
Why is it required by law to wear seat belts if you are only protecting yourself?

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Originally posted by Ultimaximus
Why is it required by law to wear seat belts if you are only protecting yourself?

Because sometimes the government does immoral things?
Originally posted by Ultimaximus
Why is it required by law to wear seat belts if you are only protecting yourself?

If your car rolls over, anything inside it becomes a very deadly projectile if bouncing around. Including YOU, if you're the one smashing into other riders.


Ideally seatbelt laws would only apply with 2+ people in the car. Practically it's easier just to make it universal.
I think weed should be legal.
It's much more harmless than all the new factory drugs and eventually keeps people from taking these!
Also there die more people of the new drugs than the old..
the statistics don't show without a reason that there are more deaths by drugs today than years ago.
And, if someone really wants to take drugs today, it really doesen't matter if there legal or illegal, he gets them for sure.
I think really it should be legalized..
it's always easy getting drugs..
Anywhere, anytime.
I honestly think the principle of "if it's legalized, less people will use it," does apply here. I feel like most people use those drugs in the first place just BECAUSE it's illegal, and they feel like they are being deviant and cool.