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The Subspace Emissary was definitely worth the one time I went through it, and I thought the Great Maze was pretty fun. However, I'm not going to really miss it, seeing as I mostly play competitively now.



For Glory is a pretty half-assed attempt to add built-in competitive play, and Pit never made headlines in tournaments. Meta Knight will probably be nerfed, but in all the wrong ways.

For Glory isn't half assed, For Glory is exactly what you ask for in competitive, but for online play. Plus more, with most stages having a "Final Destination" type, its pretty fucking rad.

Stage variants are good, if only for variety.

Also, Klonoa. It worked for Marth and Pit, right?

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If Pacman were in, there is no need to doubt what his moveset would even be. Sakurai can definitely think of something.

I mean, after giving full movesets to characters like Ice Climbers, ROB, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina.

And Pacman has actually been in a Street Fighter x Tekken game before, using a robot to fight in. Sakurai borrowed a move from Marvel vs Capcom for Megaman, so he could do it again for Pacman.

Hopefully they use his old design instead of the new "Pac is back" design (if he's in, anyway).

Ok I admit they have done more with less for characters (Captain Falcon is a great example being from a racing game, they had to base his moveset around the Falcon Punch from the anime). I'm sure a moveset for Pacman could be made with enough stretching of the imagination, but I still don't get why people want him in so bad other than "he is a classic character".

I don't mind if hes in. I only think he is a third party character has a high chance of being in this time around.

But yeah, a lot of people want him in because having Mario, Sonic, Megaman and Pacman in a game at once for the first time ever is definitely something.



The anime debuted after the first smash bros and melee.

Ok fine then his moveset was literally based off of nothing.

supposedly, cf's moveset was based off of the beta fighters from the beta smash 64

(i have no sources)

It's not so much people "want" Pac-Man (of course not saying nobody is and I personally don't mind his possible appearance), it's that he's the most likely Namco candidate. He's their most recognized character/franchise, so he'd appeal to the largest crowd. Moreso than someone like Klonoa who had a few cult games that weren't remembered as much.

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My main problem is with only having Final Destination. Final Destination - at higher tournament levels - offers a distinct advantage to characters with chaingrabs (Marth and Ice Climbers are the most notable) while disadvantaging characters with high falling speeds (Fox, Captain Falcon). The other thing it encourages is spamming projectiles, which is really no fun to play against. Having a pool of fair stages to pull from would be much more fun. Even just throwing Battlefield into the mix would make it more entertaining, with the cool reskins they showed off to boot.

I can't imagine Sakurai would run out of ideas for Pacman. Seeing as each character has a very distinct moveset, especially when moves are made up out of the blue (Rest being a OHKO), he can figure something out.

Well, there IS this popular notion that competitive players will only play Final Destination due to being flat, thus it's more fair than any other stage, and I've played with people who don't want to play on anything but final destination, so he may have gotten the idea from these vocal people.


What would be nice, though, would be if this FD-only thing is temporary, getting changed only after the competitive scene evolves. We already know 3DS and WiiU games can be patched, so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that after the competitive scene determines this list of stages is OK for competitive that Sakurai will change For Glory mode to allow those stages.

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That's pretty much a 4chan/reddit caricature of the scene. More of a meme than anything (those people you've played with are scrubs btw).




Yeah, that's probably what's going to happen. Nintendo is getting more tech-savvy by the year, so I'm guessing balance patches and updates to keep coming.

The only problem: The last time the Classic design was used was in Namco Museum Megamix, and that's long gone. The redesign is pretty much Modern Pac-Man.
((Yes, capitalization of Classic and Modern is entirely intended.))

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I really need a layout. :<

I have been thinking about charizard (a fire-type starter) and greninja(a water-type starter) and I think it would make sense to have a grass-type starter to complete the cycle.

Was thinking this also. With Chespin/Snivy both been Pokeball Pokemon I doubt their evolved forms will be the last in the "Elemental Trio"

I thought of a few grass types I'd like to see though:

-Bayleef/Meganium
-Tangela/Tangrowth (Gotta have the bulky poke's)
-Ivysaur returning?
-Leafeon maybe? A moveset might be tough...
-Parasect

As for other pokemon I'd sat more female based ones? But also ones that are not focused on having a mega evolution.

If we are going for a grass starter, I'd really like to see Sceptile. He might not be a crowd favorite, but he seems like the most likely candidate, if we keep with the trend of final evolution and one per generation. Torterra is too slow and awkward moving, Snivy is a Pokeball Pokemon (doesn't knock out Serperior but it makes him a little less likely). Meganium could work, but I don't know that it is enough of a physical attacker. Again doesn't knock him out but maybe makes him less likely.

Sceptile on the other hand is mobile enough, has a variety of good physical moves to choose from (Leaf Blade, just plain smacking the opponent with his massive tree tail, basics like pound, etc), with some special attacks for good measure. This is probably me Gen 3 fanboying again, but whatever.

Sceptile although a good candidate and a grass pokemon that can work well I can see him not been chosen as they have a lot of speed based pokemon's such as pikachu and greninja. A bulky grass type would be nice as I always hated having myself be knocked off the stage cause my jigglypuff was so light ;_;

What do you mean that Snivy is a Pokéball Pokémon? We don't know whether it is or not. Sakurai hasn't revealed Snivy to be a Pokéball Pokémon yet. I don't know how you are coming to that conclusion.