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The Subspace Emissary was definitely worth the one time I went through it, and I thought the Great Maze was pretty fun. However, I'm not going to really miss it, seeing as I mostly play competitively now.

Originally posted by leod
Sakurai can't possibly have missed him being OP as fuck, what with them actually doing a lot for the competitive scene this time around (For Glory and removing Pit's glide come to mind).


For Glory is a pretty half-assed attempt to add built-in competitive play, and Pit never made headlines in tournaments. Meta Knight will probably be nerfed, but in all the wrong ways.
For Glory isn't half assed, For Glory is exactly what you ask for in competitive, but for online play. Plus more, with most stages having a "Final Destination" type, its pretty fucking rad.
Stage variants are good, if only for variety.

Also, Klonoa. It worked for Marth and Pit, right?
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If Pacman were in, there is no need to doubt what his moveset would even be. Sakurai can definitely think of something.

I mean, after giving full movesets to characters like Ice Climbers, ROB, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina.

And Pacman has actually been in a Street Fighter x Tekken game before, using a robot to fight in. Sakurai borrowed a move from Marvel vs Capcom for Megaman, so he could do it again for Pacman.

Hopefully they use his old design instead of the new "Pac is back" design (if he's in, anyway).
Ok I admit they have done more with less for characters (Captain Falcon is a great example being from a racing game, they had to base his moveset around the Falcon Punch from the anime). I'm sure a moveset for Pacman could be made with enough stretching of the imagination, but I still don't get why people want him in so bad other than "he is a classic character".
I don't mind if hes in. I only think he is a third party character has a high chance of being in this time around.

But yeah, a lot of people want him in because having Mario, Sonic, Megaman and Pacman in a game at once for the first time ever is definitely something.

Originally posted by Volke
Ok I admit they have done more with less for characters (Captain Falcon is a great example being from a racing game, they had to base his moveset around the Falcon Punch from the anime).


The anime debuted after the first smash bros and melee.
Ok fine then his moveset was literally based off of nothing.
supposedly, cf's moveset was based off of the beta fighters from the beta smash 64

(i have no sources)
It's not so much people "want" Pac-Man (of course not saying nobody is and I personally don't mind his possible appearance), it's that he's the most likely Namco candidate. He's their most recognized character/franchise, so he'd appeal to the largest crowd. Moreso than someone like Klonoa who had a few cult games that weren't remembered as much.
Originally posted by Volke
For Glory isn't half assed, For Glory is exactly what you ask for in competitive, but for online play. Plus more, with most stages having a "Final Destination" type, its pretty fucking rad.


My main problem is with only having Final Destination. Final Destination - at higher tournament levels - offers a distinct advantage to characters with chaingrabs (Marth and Ice Climbers are the most notable) while disadvantaging characters with high falling speeds (Fox, Captain Falcon). The other thing it encourages is spamming projectiles, which is really no fun to play against. Having a pool of fair stages to pull from would be much more fun. Even just throwing Battlefield into the mix would make it more entertaining, with the cool reskins they showed off to boot.

I can't imagine Sakurai would run out of ideas for Pacman. Seeing as each character has a very distinct moveset, especially when moves are made up out of the blue (Rest being a OHKO), he can figure something out.

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Originally posted by HuFlungDu
Originally posted by Volke
I am just having trouble discerning what Pacman's moveset could possibly be. Since he can literally only attack when we has eaten a super pellet (which would probably end up being his final smash), its hard to see what else he could do.

In the gamecube games, pacman was given arms and legs. So he could punch and kick people. Probably headbutt too. And he could do the jigglypuff roll attack. It wouldn't surprise me if he spit dots at people? Probably his final smash would turn everyone else into a ghost and they would die as soon as you touch them.


Pac-Man with limbs has been around since the Arcade/NES days (if you go by game cover art and cartoons, at least). Failing that, he's been around sine the SNES.

The Pac-Man World games gave him basic moveset where he functioned like a much slower Sonic- A Butt Bounce similar to the Bounce Bracelet, a Rev Roll that functioned like a more controllable Spin Dash (as in you could aim on the X-axis during the charge)- and some midair flip kick like Sonic's insta-shield.

Yes, the moves were used regularly in the games.

Besides, if Sakurai & Co. can make something out of nothing (Fox, Falcon and presumably "Ms.Fit") or grab moves from other characters completely (Ness and Lucas), a full moveset for Pac-Man isn't farfetched.

Originally posted by Egadd
My main problem is with only having Final Destination. Final Destination - at higher tournament levels - offers a distinct advantage to characters with chaingrabs (Marth and Ice Climbers are the most notable) while disadvantaging characters with high falling speeds (Fox, Captain Falcon). The other thing it encourages is spamming projectiles, which is really no fun to play against. Having a pool of fair stages to pull from would be much more fun. Even just throwing Battlefield into the mix would make it more entertaining, with the cool reskins they showed off to boot.

Well, there IS this popular notion that competitive players will only play Final Destination due to being flat, thus it's more fair than any other stage, and I've played with people who don't want to play on anything but final destination, so he may have gotten the idea from these vocal people.


What would be nice, though, would be if this FD-only thing is temporary, getting changed only after the competitive scene evolves. We already know 3DS and WiiU games can be patched, so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that after the competitive scene determines this list of stages is OK for competitive that Sakurai will change For Glory mode to allow those stages.
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Originally posted by Nimono
Well, there IS this popular notion that competitive players will only play Final Destination due to being flat, thus it's more fair than any other stage, and I've played with people who don't want to play on anything but final destination, so he may have gotten the idea from these vocal people.


That's pretty much a 4chan/reddit caricature of the scene. More of a meme than anything (those people you've played with are scrubs btw).


Originally posted by Nimono
What would be nice, though, would be if this FD-only thing is temporary, getting changed only after the competitive scene evolves. We already know 3DS and WiiU games can be patched, so it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that after the competitive scene determines this list of stages is OK for competitive that Sakurai will change For Glory mode to allow those stages.


Yeah, that's probably what's going to happen. Nintendo is getting more tech-savvy by the year, so I'm guessing balance patches and updates to keep coming.
Originally posted by Bad luck man
If Pacman were in, there is no need to doubt what his moveset would even be. Sakurai can definitely think of something.

I mean, after giving full movesets to characters like Ice Climbers, ROB, Villager, Wii Fit Trainer and Rosalina.

And Pacman has actually been in a Street Fighter x Tekken game before, using a robot to fight in. Sakurai borrowed a move from Marvel vs Capcom for Megaman, so he could do it again for Pacman.

Hopefully they use his old design instead of the new "Pac is back" design (if he's in, anyway).

The only problem: The last time the Classic design was used was in Namco Museum Megamix, and that's long gone. The redesign is pretty much Modern Pac-Man.
((Yes, capitalization of Classic and Modern is entirely intended.))
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I would actually like to see Pac-Man as a playable character. I haven't played a Pac-Man game, so I have no clue what his moveset could be, but I'm really sure Sakurai could make a unique moveset for him.

Also, is there anyone here that wants King K. Rool playable? He's my most wanted character.
I have been thinking about charizard (a fire-type starter) and greninja(a water-type starter) and I think it would make sense to have a grass-type starter to complete the cycle.
Originally posted by Bio
I have been thinking about charizard (a fire-type starter) and greninja(a water-type starter) and I think it would make sense to have a grass-type starter to complete the cycle.


Was thinking this also. With Chespin/Snivy both been Pokeball Pokemon I doubt their evolved forms will be the last in the "Elemental Trio"

I thought of a few grass types I'd like to see though:

-Bayleef/Meganium
-Tangela/Tangrowth (Gotta have the bulky poke's)
-Ivysaur returning?
-Leafeon maybe? A moveset might be tough...
-Parasect

As for other pokemon I'd sat more female based ones? But also ones that are not focused on having a mega evolution.
If we are going for a grass starter, I'd really like to see Sceptile. He might not be a crowd favorite, but he seems like the most likely candidate, if we keep with the trend of final evolution and one per generation. Torterra is too slow and awkward moving, Snivy is a Pokeball Pokemon (doesn't knock out Serperior but it makes him a little less likely). Meganium could work, but I don't know that it is enough of a physical attacker. Again doesn't knock him out but maybe makes him less likely.

Sceptile on the other hand is mobile enough, has a variety of good physical moves to choose from (Leaf Blade, just plain smacking the opponent with his massive tree tail, basics like pound, etc), with some special attacks for good measure. This is probably me Gen 3 fanboying again, but whatever.
Sceptile although a good candidate and a grass pokemon that can work well I can see him not been chosen as they have a lot of speed based pokemon's such as pikachu and greninja. A bulky grass type would be nice as I always hated having myself be knocked off the stage cause my jigglypuff was so light ;_;
Originally posted by 1UPdudes
With Chespin/Snivy both been Pokeball Pokémon...


Originally posted by Volke
Snivy is a Pokeball Pokémon...


What do you mean that Snivy is a Pokéball Pokémon? We don't know whether it is or not. Sakurai hasn't revealed Snivy to be a Pokéball Pokémon yet. I don't know how you are coming to that conclusion.

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