ZMZ: Snes9X and bsnes for ZSNES lovers

Seems to work in wine (I had some sound issues, but installing Debian package lib32asound2-plugins fixed them). Anyway, I'm not sure whatever it's Wine issue or not, but IPS auto-patching doesn't seem to work. It shows IPS when loading the ROM, but it isn't actually patched (yeah, I don't patch IPS files for some reason).

Also, it would be nice to have filters (like hq2x), because the standard, blurry interpolation is ugly. But I assume it's on TODO list (like cheats).

Hmm, the mouse acts a little too much like a real UI. When you leave and come back in another part of the window, the internal mouse goes to your current mouse, instead of the other way around, as is proper. This means that if I click on the icon to focus the window, my mouse stays exactly where I last left it instead of jumping into the ZSNES window. It's also a little too consistent with giving control of my mouse back to me after leaving the window. In the original, almost half the time I'm no longer able to see my mouse after I leave the ZSNES window. You should look into supporting that. Finally, if I'm focused on another application, instead of just making my mouse disappear with no effect on the ui when I scroll over your window, the mouse continues to work. That simply won't do.

In the options, I noticed that you default to PNG screenshots instead of BMP. Why would I want to take up less space without any loss in quality, that's what I ask to you. Also, the ability to use the system native UI for file choosing is scary. Too many characters in a row.

The text is a little blurry in windowed mode, and when I fullscreen and try to return to windowed mode, it sends me back to fullscreen if I move the mouse too much, and also the mouse doesn't work at that point (kudos for trying, but it's just not the same). I need to use the keyboard to exit the application during the short period of time I have before I get sent back to fullscreen.

Besides that I'm loving it. Big fan of the 8x8 fonts and the fact that it just keeps one aspect ratio regardless of the size of the window. It just wouldn't do for the UI to resize except as a naive scale so that, regardless of how big you make the window, you can always fit the exact same amount of stuff on the screen. How else could you retain the wonderful 8-10 character limit in dropdown menus and and the 3 character limit in control text fields? I don't know what I would do if my up arrow weren't referred to as "C8H". The ever important background effects are done very well. I'd be lost without my fire/snow when I want to open a menu.

Overall, just great work. It was about time someone did this.

The only joke in that paragraph was the suggestion that you created the mouse bug to act more similarly to the original ZSNES GUI.

To be fair, I wasn't actively lying about how the program acts in the other ones, just about my reactions to how it acts.


Yeah, that seems to have fixed it.



Now I feel the need to mention that I love how you emulated the scroll bars. Scrolling the selection after the bar reaches the bottom? Lock the mouse into the area of the scroll bar? Brilliant.

Alcaro was nice enough to give me the opportunity to be one of the testers for this. I really would encourage any zsnes user to adopt it. I always had stuck with zsnes for the GUI and the features but regretted its inaccuracies. This addresses both matters. It's like SNES for 2013. It's my emulator of choice now. Alcaro -- you never explained what zmz stands for!

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If I moderated your hack, there was apparently a 90 percent chance it was rejected.

Oh, I'm really interested in this as I always wanted an accurate emulator with ZSNES GUI, just a question though, does it support rewinds? That's one of the main reasons I still use ZSNES; sometimes I fuck up something unintentionally (read: glitch the game horribly for doing odd moves) and that's the only way to get to the game again.

Edit: Seems like it does, yay.

Edit 2: Hm, I can't move the emulator window by holding left and right click, is that intentional?

Even if ZSNES's interface, from a usability point of view, might be nothing worth copying, it's hard to overestimate the power of habituation. Despite the interface being completely out-of-date, many people (including me, I admit) have a hard time letting go of it simply because ZSNES is the first they've encountered.

In the back of my mind I've always wished for an emulator that felt familiar yet actually emulated something - a wish I'm sure many others had - and Alcaro once again put an admirable amount of effort into making that wish come true. (I'm happy I could be of help by finding a couple of bugs.)

Thanks for making this, Alcaro - I sure hope this won't be met with as much suspicion and hostility as FLIPS was.

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only complaint is that speedup is still s9x-tier (skippy)

p good besides that

There is little tic noises that happens sometimes on the audio, is this a snes9x issue?

^ That's probably you using music uncompatible with accurate emulators lol.



I got to agree with Ladida, the turbo mode is rather annoying. I also hate one of my speakers for not working; I'm having some trouble with making the sounds work accurately (not like ZSNES is accurate anyway :P), but that's more of an issue of mine.

Other than that, that was a really good idea. I'm not sure if I will make it my main emulator, but I'll keep in on my desktop. Let's see what happens!

i get it all the time in s9x, never zsnes. perhaps due to cpu speed/vsync/whatever. adjusting buffer length (in s9x) will help but not fix it

sorry for derail lolcaro, i am ready for my ban now

How come whenever I click libretro and select the .dll for bsnes it crashes horribly?

Awesome to (finally) have a version of ZSNES that's as accurate as SNES9X and BSNES.

However, for some reason I'm not getting any sound when using a BSNES DLL. Also, neither the BSNES core nor the SNES9X core will let me rewind or disable/enable layers (it says "Not supported by core").