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JoJo's Bizarre Adventure

Just wait until you see what's in that paper. One of my favorite moments in part 4 tbh.

I'm curious how the pacing is going to work now. Enigma and Cheap Trick will get wrapped up in the next episode or possibly overflow into the one after. And then we've got...5 or 6 episodes left for the final encounter? That seems like too many episodes for the content that's left.
Hmm. The more I think about it, Teranosuke's fate at the end really was disproportionate as all get-out. He was a villain to be sure, and clearly a sadist who relished other people's fear, but unlike Angelo (the only other Pt.4 character to receive a similarly horrid fate) he hadn't actually killed or even severely hurt anyone.

In fact, it seems that he deliberately avoided killing except as a last resort (given he could've shredded Josuke and Koichi's papers at any moment and simply chose not to). Even when kidnapping Josuke's mother, which I presume was what Josuke angry enough to
bookify
him, he ultimately let her go without any harm.

As I said, he was a haughty, vaguely sociopathic asshole who definitely deserved to get his ass kicked, but spending the rest of his life
trapped inside a book
unable to communicate properly or even end his own life really does seem overly cruel. In fact, his behavior was hardly worse then Rohan in his introductory chapters, who had a similarly 'artistic' obsession and penchant for treating people as playthings. But Rohan gets easily forgiven despite getting Okuyasu to burn himself alive while this guy...
ends up a book
.

In a way, Josuke is probably one of the cruelest Jojo's of all, despite how kind-hearted and friendly he is normally. Other Jojos if you piss them off will beat the crap out of you or even kill you, while manage to get Josuke truly angry at you and you'll be dealt some ironically creative fate worse then death. ...Don't mess with the healer, is all I'm saying.
Evil flower of Pure Illusion... we're going to pluck you out!
He didn't avoid killing anyone out of the good of his heart, he avoided it to use them as emotional blackmail and force Josuke and Yuya into showing fear for their friends' lives.

Josuke straight up said why he's going to kill Teranosuke too, you don't really have to guess at that.
Rohan didn't involve the innocent, didn't take any hostages and didn't do any emotional blackmail on anyone, he fought them as fairly as a stand such as Heaven's Door can. And to top all that, Rohan wasn't on Kira's side.



Not sure if Josuke being that cruel is all that true tbh, considering he ended up not actually killing Teranosuke or Angelo despite claiming he would.
Just put them into contrast, Josuke is befriending/pacifying most of his opponents, whereas Jotaro killed 90% of them, Joseph opened fire at and threw grenades into the general public just to blow up a random guy he didn't know to be a vampire yet and Johnathan murdered his way through vampires and zombies alike.
Giorno is probably a lot colder too, not to mention the murderfests that parts 6, 7 and 8 are, where like every encounter is lethal.
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Originally posted by leod
He didn't avoid killing anyone out of the good of his heart, he avoided it to use them as emotional blackmail and force Josuke and Yuya into showing fear for their friends' lives.

True, but there's no reason he couldn't have ripped up Koichi's envelope and simply claimed to Josuke that his friend was still alive, if he was really ruthless. Plus once he got Josuke there was no pragmatic reason not to shred all the papers right away, since they no longer served any worth as blackmail (and it's not like he knew Yuya was about to attack him).

Originally posted by leod
Josuke straight up said why he's going to kill Teranosuke too, you don't really have to guess at that.
Rohan didn't involve the innocent, didn't take any hostages and didn't do any emotional blackmail on anyone, he fought them as fairly as a stand such as Heaven's Door can. And to top all that, Rohan wasn't on Kira's side.

Rohan didn't involve the innocent? In what sense was Koichi not 'innocent' in that scenario? He came to Rohan's house just as a fan eager to meet his idol, and Rohan didn't even find out he had a Stand until already using Heaven's Door on him (and rendering him totally powerless to resist). And I fail to see how what he did to Okuyasu (forcing him to burn himself nearly to death if Josuke ran away) is anything other then 'taking hostages' or 'emotional blackmail'.

The Kira part is by the most damning point of difference, but it's still not at all clear how much Teranosuke even knew about Kira or his father. He may not've known he was working for a serial killer, just that some old geezer gave him a snazzy superpower and let him run free with it so long as he takes out a couple guys. It still doesn't exactly say much for his personal character (he is a villain, after all) but not enough is known to say whether he was really working with Kira in full knowledge of just how bad the guy was.


Originally posted by leod
Not sure if Josuke being that cruel is all that true tbh, considering he ended up not actually killing Teranosuke or Angelo despite claiming he would.
Just put them into contrast, Josuke is befriending/pacifying most of his opponents, whereas Jotaro killed 90% of them, Joseph opened fire at and threw grenades into the general public just to blow up a random guy he didn't know to be a vampire yet and Johnathan murdered his way through vampires and zombies alike.
Giorno is probably a lot colder too, not to mention the murderfests that parts 6, 7 and 8 are, where like every encounter is lethal.

Frankly, I'd contest whether putting people into fates worse then death is really any kinder then just outright killing him.
Evil flower of Pure Illusion... we're going to pluck you out!
I have to agree that being trapped in a rock/paper for all eternity is worse than death. When I first read part 4, the ending of this and Angelo's fight struck me as pretty damn cruel.
This episode had both some really badass, cheer-worthy moments (with Rohan) and some of the creepiest moments in the entire show with Kira. My god, he seems to have somehow gotten even more maniacal and sadistic since
taking on Kosaku's identity
(probably because he hasn't had any opportunity to kill and 'let off stress' since then). His vacant, almost fish-like dark eyes, incredibly calm voice and complete and utter lack of empathy make him by far the most terrifying villain to come out of Jojo yet.

Everything about his 'family bonding' with Hayato was one of the most messed up things I've ever seen in anime.

Speaking of Hayato, gotta' feel sorry for the poor kid in his situation. While amazingly clever and resourceful for his age, he still has no real way to deal with or even fully comprehend the
incredibly powerful supernatural maniac that's taken the place of his dad
. His frantic ponderings over who he could probably turn the information over to come off as just about what any normal person would do thrown into that kind of crazy situation. In a series as thoroughly campy and over-the-top as Jojo, this is a surprisingly relatable brand of horror.

It's especially tragic since he walked right by Jotaro Kujo, one of the only people alive who he could've safely shown the information to.

While the episode was overall very good, I did find it a bit of a stretch for Koichi to be so initially skeptical of Rohan's story. He knows about the existence of Stands and that they can have wild and crazy powers, so how is 'a Stand that can latch on to somebody's back' any more unbelievable then 'a Stand that can fold people up into napkins'? And the possibility that he was distrustful of Rohan due to how the mangaka attacked him initially doesn't really seem to hold water since Koichi had no problems hanging out with Rohan prior to that one moment.

It wasn't as bad as it could've been since Koichi did end up helping out at the end anyway, but it still seems a contrived way to draw out the drama of the episode.
Evil flower of Pure Illusion... we're going to pluck you out!
This episode was very well-done. They did cut a scene from Rohan's battle, but they added a scene with Hayato walking past Jotaro, which is odd. Why not leave the original scene rather than exchanging it with one that serves no purpose?

But yeah, overall very satisfied with this episode. Showed everything that makes me love Kira.
What scene did they cut?
And the walking past took like 5 seconds, so that was a pretty nice transition.
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You know what comes next...

BAIT ZA DASTO

The hype is real.
i just lurk sometimes
This scene. Rohan covers his ears to avoid hearing Cheap Trick and then the stand makes a bunch of phone calls.

IT'S HAPPENING

Fantastic episode, definitely getting hyped for what's to come. BTD was something I always thought was really cool, although I'm still not sure how exactly he activated it the first time
since Hayato was dead
. Anyway, it only gets more exciting from here.

And I'm really hoping for a Part 5 announcement when this finishes!
Hmmm. What I wonder now is just how far-reaching the effects of Bites The Dust actually are.

It's said that if he reveals Kira's identity
then whoever hears it will explode and set back time by one hour
. What isn't clear is whether 'revealing Kira's identity' only includes literally saying the words '
my dad
is Yoshikage Kira' or some equivalent or even just anything that gives clues about Kira at all. For instance, what if
Hayato
told Rohan: "I know who Yoshikage Kira is, but I can't tell you. He put me under a Stand that
makes it so anyone I tell dies instantly and rewinds time to one hour before
."


There's a lot of helpful information you can give without directly revealing Kira's identity. Or, what if you just say things to progressively narrow his identity down without outright stating it, like: "Kira has a family with a red-haired wife and one kid. He lives in this neighborhood, has dark hair, fish-like eyes and..."

I don't know. If I were
Hayato
in that situation, I'd definitely be doing everything I could to find out how far I could push the envelope in that regard.
Evil flower of Pure Illusion... we're going to pluck you out!
Keep in mind that failed attempts at pushing the envelope result in someone's death.
Originally posted by K3fka
Keep in mind that failed attempts at pushing the envelope result in someone's death.

Yeah, but any unsuccessful attempt just results in a reset anyways, so nobody ends up 'really dead'. Still not great by any means, but easily worth it for a chance at actually catching Kira.

However, I see what you mean. Most normal people, much less a young kid, would not at all be okay with people dying gruesomely in front of them even if it does end up undone.
Evil flower of Pure Illusion... we're going to pluck you out!
Oh, no. I forgot if this was explained in this episode already (I think Kira actually mentions it), Rohan is dead now.
He will die at some point between 8:27 and 8:30 every iteration from now on, no matter what anyone does to prevent it.
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Yeah, there's a bit more to Bites The Dust that will be revealed next episode. What leod said is true.
Oh yeah looked it up again, Kira only mentions that he won't meet Rohan again no matter what.
Guess that's kinda vague, but it was there!
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The alternate opening was just incredible, probably my favorite so far. Something about the composition is just mildly unsettling.
Even though it was less showy, I prefer the alteration made where DIO stopped time in the second part 3 OP. This one was exactly what it needed to be, though.