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Over-Sexualization of women in media
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Don't get me wrong, I have nothing wrong with a little *jiggle physics*, but I'm getting a little tired of women (not all mind you) in media (especially in video games and anime) get soul-caliberified. I mean, I've watched alot of anime in the last year (iI started watching in October of last year) and a lot of female characters either have big boobs or a big butt, one of the two. Sometimes I feel like its changing my expectations of women in real life. And just in general, it annoys me because its all over the place. And its not like big companies give a grand crap about this, but alot of people do. And I'm not trying to be a feminist wannabe, but I wish we could stop portraying women as fluzies.

Idk, I'm rambling. What do you think
What you described about anime is called fanservice.

You're going to have to learn to deal with it, because it's not going to be possible for things like this to stop. A lot of people do care about it, but companies use attractive people in their commercials and stuff to attract attention from their audience.

This isn't just a women thing. It's a guy thing too. Both genders have high expectations because of media.
Yeah, why aren't women ever like the men in video games, just regular joes.
Originally posted by mockingod
What you described about anime is called fanservice.


True, but you have to admit, when overused it gets a little annoying

*cough* *cough* Fairy Tail


Fanservice sometimes annoys me because sometimes in anime its like a necessity or something.
Anime uses it a lot because a) in general, the Japanese are a lot more open about sex and nudity, so some of the "fanservice" would be hilarious/OK stuff over there and b) it obviously attracts people who are... very interested in the male/female body (yes, male fanservice happens, it's just rarer than female fanservice) and obviously want more bang for their buck. Sex doesn't always sell, but it helps in media.

I think that oversexualization is bad... if only one sex is being oversexualized. That, and well, I'm more concerned about in general sexism (like say, saying women/men can only do this or that, etc.) rather than impossible bodies.

- BlackMageMario
IMO oversexualization isn't a bad thing by itself since I think most people are smart enough to know when certain features are exaggerated. I mean I think most anime fans are aware that not everyone in the real world has melon breasts, otherwise waifus wouldn't exist.

The only time media gets bad with gender is when it tries to force bad morals. Look at how many people criticize Metroid Other M by turning Samus into a whiny princess that needs men to do everything for her, as opposed to the strong, silent bounty hunter she was in every game before that.

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Originally posted by Zaxxon
IMO oversexualization isn't a bad thing by itself since I think most people are smart enough to know when certain features are exaggerated. I mean I think most anime fans are aware that not everyone in the real world has melon breasts, otherwise waifus wouldn't exist.

The only time media gets bad with gender is when it tries to force bad morals. Look at how many people criticize Metroid Other M by turning Samus into a whiny princess that needs men to do everything for her, as opposed to the strong, silent bounty hunter she was in every game before that.


Speaking of samus, look at this
why do you keep linking to mobile youtube

it wont link properly on desktops
One thing you should be worrying about is the low amount of female characters you can actually control.
And don't get me started on non-straight or non-white characters.
Originally posted by Ladida
why do you keep linking to mobile youtube

it wont link properly on desktops


Sorry, I made that post on my kindle

here's the real link
Did you just contradict yourself?
I think the problem is an under-sexualization of men. And before you say it, no, giant muscled hunks aren't sexualization (well except maybe for a select few). Huge muscled behemoths are power fantasy. Male sexualization is more like this.

I like sexualization, though I'll admit it's inappropriate depending on the work in question (not so great for a war drama).
Originally posted by Kaijyuu
giant muscled hunks aren't sexualization (well except maybe for a select few). Huge muscled behemoths are power fantasy.

While the second half of this is true, I believe you are wrong about it not being sexualization. It is sexualization of men for straight men, which is pretty much to be expected in a medium created primarily by men. You can claim that is a problem, but otherwise you are just going after a symptom.
Hrm, interesting take on it.

Let me rephrase and say that I'd like there to be more male objectification, then. Men there to be gawked at rather than projected upon.
Well, the animators obviously make draw them like that to call attention, like how you promote your hacks, lel.
As a man who also has a sexual attraction towards other men, that is unsurprising, you still have all the evolutionary traits that make men want to see potential mates as sexual objects, you are just also able to apply those feelings towards other men. However, talk to a woman (not your wife, sneaky beaky) and ask if she finds, for instance, male strippers attractive. Most the women I know just find them awkward and/or humorous. Whether this is environmental or biological I can't say, but from my experience there is a definite tendency for women to see objectified or otherwise emasculated men and feel uncomfortable, and obviously straight men will generally feel uncomfortable in the same environment. Honestly, I don't think that would make much business sense for game creators to do that.

Also: Google now knows that I looked up information on male strippers. I look forward to the new targeted ads.

Edit: Obviously that was all @kaijyuu, not Ninja McSneakerson here.
I think the only reason sexuality is even a problem at all is because we've gone for thousands of years covering up our privates and breasts. We've sensitized ourselves to nudity. In nature, everything is nude. Our ancestors were nude.

Objectification of men exists, even in the minds of women and men with a preference or curiosity for other men. Sure, it's less common, but men also complain about it less, so it's not viewed as a problem.

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I can't say, but from my experience there is a definite tendency for women to see objectified or otherwise emasculated men and feel uncomfortable, and obviously straight men will generally feel uncomfortable in the same environment.

I feel as though it's safe to say that people sometimes claim they're uncomfortable or hate something because they can't come to terms with feeling arousal. This isn't always true, but it does happen. I remember hearing about one test where "homophobic" men were put to watch gay interaction and gay pornography, and that they were often more aroused than even the homosexual men (as they identify as) watching the same footage. Link to study. Women are veeeeeery similar, based on my own experiences.

Just look above you...
If it's something that can be stopped, then just try to stop it!
Also I'd like to point out the whole bishonen phenomenon in japanese media: thin, long haired pretty boys that are entirely designed to be eye candy to women.

In my experience (insert standard disclaimers about generalizations about people here), gay men are the ones who like muscular masculine men (see: bara), and women are the ones who like "emasculated" pretty boys. Women do tend to not value appearance as much when it comes to attractiveness (which is why 90% of erotic literature is directed at women and 90% of video and image porn is directed at men), but it's still a factor.
I used to see over-sexualised women as a bad thing, until I came around several girls both in real life and in the internet (including the user two posts above me) who couldn't care less about it, so I came to the conclusion that if girls aren't bugged about it, there's no reason for me to be bugged about it either. The only people bugged about this are extreme feminist women and men (yes, feminist men exist, just like macho women), that take any minor excuse to call it sexism.

Originally posted by Torchkas
One thing you should be worrying about is the low amount of female characters you can actually control.
And don't get me started on non-straight or non-white characters

A lot of games (Pokémon, Fable, MMOs, etc.) let you choose to play as either a male or a female character; this also includes fighting/racing games with character selection, and RPGs with several party members. Some games only have female protagonists such as Metroid, Touhou, Portal, Perfect Dark, Super Princess Peach and more.

Non-straight protagonists are less present in video-games I'll give you that, and there's even a game theory episode covering the issue. But then, a lot of protagonists don’t say a word during the whole game and little is known about them, this is to help gamers to identify themselves more with the character. While most of these characters are not confirmed to be homosexual there's no evidence supporting they are straight either, so they can be whatever you want them to be. Don't assume a character is straight just because nobody said otherwise.

I have to give you the point for non-white characters though, since the only games I can think of are gen 6 Pokémon and GTA San Andreas, and the point above doesn't can’t be applied for this. Hopefully, this will change in the future.
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