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Originally posted by Sakuya Izayoi
The SNN quote was actually aimed at me EDIT: Not, silly memory... And it still pisses me off, because all the shit he said isn't true, but since he's an admin I can go fuck myself, right?


Its been known for years that SNN is a reptilian NWO shill whose been forcing programs and smw hacking methods on us that slowly eat away at our creativity. Many new users back in the day ate his teachings up and praise him as a god for the simple sake of being admin-overlord/god-emperor of smwcentral.

I know its hard for some of you to do this; but it is very much possible to ignore comments; but try as many of you might, it is very difficult to ignore the emitting pressure that SNN has over your e-soul. Sakuya, I know you have suffered from this hold SNN has on you to force you to use specific programs against your will, but you must fight it! Fight it with all your might and some day you too, will grow an opinion of your own which freely decide on weither to agree or disagree with another being; though this is SNN we're talking about, so this may never be achievable.

(after re-reading what I just typed)
...what the fuck am i talking about? The point i'm getting at is do what ever the fuck you want along with keeping the consequences of your actions in mind. You don't lose anything by having a preference of using one program over another for the purpose of entertainment.
Originally posted by Richard Nixon
You don't lose anything by having a preference of using one program over another for the purpose of entertainment.

Except you do, which was the entire point of S.N.N.'s post.
Originally posted by Torchkas
Originally posted by Richard Nixon
You don't lose anything by having a preference of using one program over another for the purpose of entertainment.

Except you do, which was the entire point of S.N.N.'s post.

*personal entertainment

also in a sense that's a consequence. If you're doing SMW-hacking purely for personal entertainment, then you shouldn't be concerned with what you're doing, but it is worth it to use more proper/efficient programs; a consequence for using outdated programs being that you restrict yourself and if you have any intentions on actually publicly showing your hacks you are at the mercy of people who do use the more optimal programs.
Ban all Mods and Admins.
Originally posted by Sakuya Izayoi
And it still pisses me off.


But instead of actually sending me a message stating that you're offended at the time like any mature human being would do, you wait for months and then take a jab at me in this thread.

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AMK isn't objectively better than AM4


AMK is objectively better than AM4.

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removing all the previous versions of the songs from the music section without any sort of backup was ridiculous.


All of the songs were backed up.

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It makes me cringe so much when moderators and admins are being smart-asses and stuff.


It makes me cringe so much when users passively-aggressively whine about problems retroactively instead of taking steps at the time to fix them.


I've been busting my ass for this site for years, and so have several of the other staff members. We want what is best for the userbase, and some of us don't like to sugarcoat every little detail. When someone spends hundreds of hours working on a tool to better your hacking experience, and you (not just Sakuya Izayoi, but users in general) proceed to complain and whine because you have to spend 15 minutes updating, then yes, you're going to be met with a response like mine. Learn to have a bit of appreciation for what others do for you - you wouldn't even be SMW hacking if it weren't for them.


EDIT: One other note:

Originally posted by Torchkas
Except you do, which was the entire point of S.N.N.'s post.


I don't give a shit if people want to use AM4 over AMK, or if they want to use ZSNES over BSNES. What I care about is people throwing a public temper-tantrum in the news comments because "waaaah, someone made a better program and now I have to do actual work so my hack turns out better". If you don't want to update, then don't, but don't shit on those who do.
Oh yeah, and the "smart-ass" moderators tend to work better anyway because being up front about matters tends to get the point across quite well.

See: the above post
lmao Nixon love you no homo

I used to sugarcoat things... But then I ran out of sugar and got sick of buying sugar to coat posts with. With that, after seven goddamn years of sugarcoating posts, I saved enough to donate to SMWC and get a coin next to my name. (Poorfags gonna poor.) You aren't going to be banned for posting your opinion because while we suck, we aren't on our periods about every little bit of discontent.

(Judging by lack of context) I think Jack probably should've been more direct about the reason for the sake of other users knowing exactly what the ban is for so they don't do it, but his comment is okay. It's silly and he's not putting words in anyone's mouth. (Gonna warn you though, if you - meaning anyone, not specifically SAY - are offended by his playful remark, DO NOT LEAVE THE SMWC HUGBOX. It gets worse.)

AddMusic 4.05's flaw is it allows insertion of songs which rely on exploits of emulation flaws to "work" when in all actuality they don't work at all and under the modern standards of hack moderation will never be acceptable. If you avoid using these broken songs, then AM405 can still be used. The music in the new section is all functional. Don't use the backups unless you have the knowledge to fix the broken songs. AMK is now stable and more powerful and flexible and all songs that successfully go into your ROM are guaranteed to work.


Just look above you...
If it's something that can be stopped, then just try to stop it!
Originally posted by Counterfeit

I used to sugarcoat things... But then I ran out of sugar and got sick of buying sugar to coat posts with.


well what do you expect? you're buying store-brand sugar and not the special sugar designed for putting on posts



Well shit. I looked everywhere but the only thing I can find related to posts is Post brand cereals. I would have to isolate the Post sugar from the cereals to get it on the post. I just realized I have been doing it wrong this whole time and the right way to do it is even more expensive because I can't just get it from the Post production plant D:

Just look above you...
If it's something that can be stopped, then just try to stop it!
Originally posted by S.N.N.
The comments in this news post summed up:

"I don't want to upgrade to something that works on real hardware, has a graphical interface, is backwards compatible, and doesn't cause any issues with my ROM. I'd much rather use this defunct command line tool which blows up my music on every emulator that isn't ZSNES 0.84, which I'm also still using."

S.N.N. taking my job of shitting on people for being backwards? This is a crisis. You stop it, you.

In other news, it's good to see that the exact same thing happened when switching from HuFlungDu's Unofficial Romi's Unofficial AddMusic 4.05 to AMK as switching from Romi's Unofficial AddMusic 4.04 to HuFlungDu's Unofficial Romi's Unofficial AddMusic 4.05. I feel less lonely now.

And AMK is better than AM4. For realz.
Originally posted by S.N.N.


AMK is objectively better than AM4.


*ahem* If you are claiming that AMK is objectively better than previous AM versions, please say why. You cannot just make a blanket statement like that because some people who aren't actively involved in the community like me do not exactly know how said tool is objectively better than its predecessors. As it stands to me, its just your opinion and you'll need to prove to me by elaborating your claim.

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-I also do not accept speculative work as I do have various art I made on-hand with me.
-I am more receptive to equivalent exchange of resources in which case, you can DM me wherever I have an active presence on for the details.
-Other times I'm availible for your project is C3 request threads I may run.




The Pros and Cons of Addmusic

>>> "+" is the pros
>>> "-" is the cons

+ Allows the insertion of both .bnk and .brr songs.
+ In regards to .bnk songs, saves a lot space.
+ No need for Sample Tool.
+ A lot of flexibility.
+ Ability to customize sound effects (AMM lacked this feature)
+ Works on most well known emulators.
+ Automatically outputs .msc. Not all Addmusic's had this feature... Java Addmusic 3, I'm looking at you.
+ Possibly tells why a song can't be inserted.
+ Outputs SPC's so you can hear what the song sounds like in game.
- Even though it says it's backwards compatible, 92% of the time: a complete rom transfer is required
- Not every song one would want to use can be accepted, so not exactly user friendly due to the fact one would need musical knowledge to fix up the song. Somebody else fixing it for you is never a garrantee.
- Not every patch hosted here (read, 30%+) is compatible with AMK.
- AMK must be used first if you plan to extensively use other tools.
- For best results, use AMK while the rom is 2MB, then expand to 4MB afterwards.
- Possibility to corrupt your rom after another external program, excluding Lunar Magic, is used. This only applies if you plan to use AMK on said rom again. (If that's the case, get ready to transfer roms)
- Breaks with RPG Dialogue Patch and Variable Width Font Tool. #tb{DX<}
- Basically the need to transfer roms most of the time you plan to use this. #tb{¬_¬}

(Trust me when I say that AMK and I have a pretty graphic relationship)

AMM
+ Amazing sounding songs (which break on accurate emulators)
+ No need for SampleTool
- Requires the insertion of INIT.asm and other files which are a pain to set up correctly.
- Has a set limit of samples to insert.
- Can not use .bnk songs.
- Not very flexible.
- Allows songs which break on accurate emulators.
- Not a lot of options to choose from as far as songs are concerned.

AM4
+ Has flexibility with songs.
+ Inserts most java and ports. With musical knowledge, AMM songs can be converted to AM4
+ Lots of options in songs to choose from.
+ Can add/change sound effects
- Uses a ton of space.
- Can not use .brr's
- May require SampleTool, which eats space.
- Allows songs which break on accurate emulators.


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This isn't exactly the thread for this, but yeah: the topic is still here.
I think the problem with AMK and compatibility is not expecting crucial parts of memory to be changed, such as combining the two separate song banks. Hopefully GPS and Tessera can work around this (ASAR shouldn't need to). As for everything else I dunno.

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Everypony's digging with a shovel
Originally posted by Scorpion
- Even though it says it's backwards compatible, 92% of the time: a complete rom transfer is required

It's backwards compatible with older Addmusics, it doesn't mean it'll be with everything else. If Addmusic was the only global tool you used in your rom, then you should be pretty much safe to switch to AMK.

Also, I've used countless tools and patches and my rom didn't corrupt when I switched to AMK, except for this.

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- Not every song one would want to use can be accepted, so not exactly user friendly due to the fact one would need musical knowledge to fix up the song. Somebody else fixing it for you is never a garrantee.

This actually applies to every Addmusic, not only K. Also, if one can do stuff with AM4/AMM, one can do it with AMK. It's more user friendly to hackers in general (those that haven't got much musical/porting knowledge), due to its GUI and the needless usage of SampleTool, I guess.

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- Breaks with Variable Width Font Tool.

It didn't for me. But yeah, I'm not using the [music=*] command, so it may be a reason.

More pros of AMK: it fixes a bunch of SFX-related problems and no more need to add headers and silence at the start of each song. I'd say it's objectively better, indeed, if not considering the (unlikely) incompatibility with other stuff.

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As for the "smart-ass" moedrators, well, I can't really judge them. After all, there are users that just won't listen to warnings. Who would constantly keep their temper with said users?
yo guys, this "issue" was solved long ago, why the hell is this still open and talking about AMK/AM4 when it's not even related to the op¿¡?!1
Originally posted by reghrhre
why the hell is this still open

Because I wanted to see if maybe it got back on track... seeminlgy it didn't.
So imagine me smart-assingly closing this.
(If anybody really NEEDS to add further statments, they can PM me to reopen it)

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