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The 8th Annual VLDC - Results!

Originally posted by Proto Man
That's fair. I just hate how I'm trying to ask about how I can improve my level for next year and all I get is the "I'm a butthurt idiot" treatment from these assholes. I knew it would shitty from the start.


A couple people are being pricks, yeah .. though it really is a tradition for people to bitch about their scores for the sake of bitching. On the other hand, I don't believe you're doing so at all - I fully believe that you're genuinely curious about what you can do to improve your level.

Although the palette was a major problem in your level, your design needs a lot of work too. The biggest offender is, of course, the cave room - it's about 8 screens long and has an absurdly small amount of sprites on it. The level comes off as boring because instead of actively trying to dodge stuff, you're really just jumping from bone to bone (and then from ? bridge to ? bridge), until you reach the boss. The level really needs .. more. More enemies, more areas to explore, more platforming. It's lacking all-around.

Also, the boss is unbeatable (unless you're really lucky). You've put so many Boos on the screen that you can't actually pick up the throw blocks due to sprite limitations.

I hope that clarifies why your level ranked so low. I'd be happy to elaborate even further if necessary.
"Creativity: Haloti Ngata/25 (prounounced not-ah or nada)
Curves: 0/25
Level: 0/25
Aesthetics: 15/25

Overall: 15/100

Comments: Was this level slapped together at the last minute? Because if it doesn't, it sure does feel like
it. Nothing at all in this level feels like it clicks togther or ever made it past the "development"
stage, it goes on for longer than it needs and the checkpoint before the edited Hop Koopa boss takes
you back to the P-Switch Triple Barrier.
Better yet, was this level slapped together in an attempt at getting last place? Because it it was,
then you people need to step your game up and aim for something that ISN'T low-hanging fruit anybody
can do in their sleep."

-MrDeePay

Okay, I get it. The level was a disaster, and a terrible first-VLDC submission (for goodness sakes, the guy in 3rd place was doing his first this year). But at least the other 2 judges made an effort to provide some constructive criticism. Ahh, what's this? "Was this level slapped together in an attempt at getting last place?" Thanks, really made my day. To the other staff and to MrDeePay, I would expect a bit more couth. I understand if a level is just plain bad (and I understand, mine was), but going over-the-top rude like this really puts a damper on one's day. Thanks.
~theparanoiabug

Youtube channel is currently down; a new and improved one might show up this summer.

Currently making (slow) progress on my own hack.
Well their main role is to judge, not to give feedback. Going through 80+ entries, they're pushing through them pretty quickly (Mdp being the last, so probably pressured more into finishing than the other two). If they provide feedback, great. Just remember that prior to you actually submitting your level, you could have easily asked for people's feedback from the site itself. You could of made a thread in the section (Protoman didn't, and i know you did but you offered no information about your hack, no screenshots, no videos, no real incentive to actually try it out), and you can also go on IRC where you can get feedback far faster than you ever would on the forums.

I don't blame mdp for not providing as much feedback as you expect he should. Most of us already received feedback from the community itself prior to submitting our entries.

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Originally posted by S.N.N.
Also, the boss is unbeatable (unless you're really lucky). You've put so many Boos on the screen that you can't actually pick up the throw blocks due to sprite limitations.


It's beatable if you lure enough Boos away from the Throw Blocks so you can actually pick some of them up. So yeah, if you're lucky.

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Okay, I get it. The level was a disaster, and a terrible first-VLDC submission (for goodness sakes, the guy in 3rd place was doing his first this year).


I show zero regard to how long an entrant has been making levels.

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But at least the other 2 judges made an effort to provide some constructive criticism. Ahh, what's this? "Was this level slapped together in an attempt at getting last place?" Thanks, really made my day. To the other staff and to MrDeePay, I would expect a bit more couth. I understand if a level is just plain bad (and I understand, mine was), but going over-the-top rude like this really puts a damper on one's day. Thanks.


I am not concerned about your or anyone else's feelings. If you do not want me to be harsh with commenting on your level, do not give me a reason to. I do not like rushed, thrown together levels (ie: yours), so I will be harsh on them. (Harsh =/= "Rude") If your level had something going for it, but was fundamentally busted elsewhere (ie: Doritos Desert, Goal Hunt), then that would be another matter.

Originally posted by MrDeePay

I am not concerned about your or anyone else's feelings. If you do not want me to be harsh with commenting on your level, do not give me a reason to. I do not like rushed, thrown together levels (ie: yours), so I will be harsh on them. (Harsh =/= "Rude") If your level had something going for it, but was fundamentally busted elsewhere (ie: Doritos Desert, Goal Hunt), then that would be another matter.
As soon as the contest started, I started this level. I slaved over it for weeks, and it was by no means a "thrown-together level," nor was it "rushed." And "I am not concerned about your or anyone else's feelings?" I don't get into others' personal lives, but that sounds problematic. I don't appreciate the sarcastic, mocking tone. Look at S.N.N's response to my level:

"This level needs some serious work. One block jumps + Yoshi + a stringent time limit makes this level both frustrating and ultimately unfair. The long switch run in the sublevel also feels pointless, especially with no threats in the way."

I can appreciate and learn from this. All you told me was basically "your level was an awful mess of s**t and should never have been created." I do take that personally, and maybe it's just me, but just because I'm not WhiteYoshiEgg or worldpeace, doesn't make me any less human.

Looking at your other comments for people with "bad" levels, I see that this treatment goes for pretty much everyone.

(Negativelysonnette's level)
Creativity: Tim Tebow (15)/25
Curves: BBWs are Curvier (10)/25
Level: "Yacht of Opinions" (0)/25
Aesthetics: Eli Manning (10)/25

Overall: 35/100

Comments: I would rather read the entirety of Las Lindas and declare its Mary Sue protagonist as my waifu while I eagerly
let Counterfeit stick a gun into every single one of my holes without any resistance. However, I would also rather
not reduce myself to a drunken pile of tears with a sore everything (ie: a fan of the Cleveland Browns), so...

I am not the enemy. I love this forum and love what it stands for and how big it is. However, please, PLEASE, some constructive criticism next time instead of just a bunch of hate. Thanks.
~theparanoiabug

Youtube channel is currently down; a new and improved one might show up this summer.

Currently making (slow) progress on my own hack.
You just don't expect MDP to act all nice in situations like this, because he won't be. He doesn't especially hate you because he speaks to you bluntly, harshly or rudely (possibly), that's just the way he acts most of the time, and we get to learn to take it lightly. Now, if that's a good thing or not is for anybody to tell. Struggles like that don't happen that rarely.
It's easily the best thing I've done
So why the empty numb?
Originally posted by lettersandnumbers
I see that this treatment goes for pretty much everyone.

Then why are you so bothered.

Chill.

yeah mdp and snn and eternity are all the worst they didn't even give me a score for my level, just snide comments behind my back




(maybe I'll play the collab when its done and congrats to winrars)
this is still going on lol

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(Negativelysonnette's level)

His level deliberately ignored one of the important rules though? Not to mention that I played through a small chunk of it and it was basically dodging a bunch of munchers with a P-balloon. You literally can't draw any comparisons between yours and his because his was deliberately a pile of crap.

(2manyninjas)
Originally posted by paran01abug97
As soon as the contest started, I started this level. I slaved over it for weeks, and it was by no means a "thrown-together level," nor was it "rushed."
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All you told me was basically "your level was an awful mess of s**t and should never have been created." I do take that personally, and maybe it's just me, but just because I'm not WhiteYoshiEgg or worldpeace, doesn't make me any less human.

Looking at your other comments for people with "bad" levels, I see that this treatment goes for pretty much everyone.
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I am not the enemy. I love this forum and love what it stands for and how big it is. However, please, PLEASE, some constructive criticism next time instead of just a bunch of hate. Thanks.

- Your level doesn't get judged on your worktime or scheduling.
- Your level doesn't get judged on your humanity.
- Your level doesn't get judged on your site status.

The work of a critic is to criticize, which is exactly what MrDeePay is good at. Stop whining because you got told you're not always as good as you think you might be.
You see, as a critic you get a certain expectation from a contest level. Your level didn't meet that expectation, so it was considered not worthy of praiseworthy criticism.
Originally posted by Magiluigi
Then why are you so bothered.

Chill.


Because being a cunt to more people than just you [lettersandnumbers] isn't anything that'd make somebody feel less offended?

I'm still a bit surprised that MDP was even a judge in this, past experiences should've shown that while he can play levels (applause!), he's entirely unfit to rate and especially comment on them as a site representative (sounds a bit formal but I couldn't find a better word), since all he does is try to make as many people feel bad about their more or less hard work under the guise of being "harsh" and "honest", when really he's just being rude and a prick in general.
His comments specifically have caused shitstorms literally every single time, and while people just keep saying "meh whatever people will always bitch about their placement" it's pretty much entirely concentrated on his contributions always.


To clarify, the comments on the people who actually go for last are fine, they got what they asked for and probably agree with all the insults.

Originally posted by Koopster
You just don't expect MDP to act all nice in situations like this, because he won't be. He doesn't especially hate you because he speaks to you bluntly, harshly or rudely (possibly), that's just the way he acts most of the time, and we get to learn to take it lightly.

Just because he's been a dick consistently that doesn't suddenly make it better and nobody, especially not people who are relatively new, should be expected to take insults to themselves and/or their work lighter just because "that's how he is".



Originally posted by Torchkas
- Your level doesn't get judged on your worktime or scheduling.

He was just trying to argue against the "slapped together" point.

Originally posted by Torchkas
- Your level doesn't get judged on your humanity.

Nobody implied that, he was just saying he'd appreciate if he was treated with a bit more care, some people just don't have the benefit of an iron skin.

Originally posted by Torchkas
- Your level doesn't get judged on your site status.

Same as above.

Originally posted by Torchkas
The work of a critic is to criticize, which is exactly what MrDeePay is good at. Stop whining because you got told you're not always as good as you think you might be.
You see, as a critic you get a certain expectation from a contest level. Your level didn't meet that expectation, so it was considered not worthy of praiseworthy criticism.

You are literally missing the point, he never said that his level was rated unfairly, he is aware that it's not the best thing in the world, he just doesn't like having his metaphorical face slapped around with a turd.
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Originally posted by paran01abug97
As soon as the contest started, I started this level. I slaved over it for weeks, and it was by no means a "thrown-together level," nor was it "rushed."


If that was the case, okay- but the end result did not look like it to me.

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And "I am not concerned about your or anyone else's feelings?" I don't get into others' personal lives, but that sounds problematic. I don't appreciate the sarcastic, mocking tone. Look at S.N.N's response to my level:

"This level needs some serious work. One block jumps + Yoshi + a stringent time limit makes this level both frustrating and ultimately unfair. The long switch run in the sublevel also feels pointless, especially with no threats in the way."


SNN has always been a lenient, generous judge- you may notice that the highest individual scores to the lower-ranked entries tend to come from him. He is under no obligation to be this generous or strict. Hell, he's under no obligation to give you any comments at all- he can just score you and move on.

I have always been a strict, harsh judge- you may notice that the lowest individual scores to all of the entries tend to come from me. I am under no obligation to be this generous or strict. Hell, I'm under no obligation to give you any comments at all- I can just score you and move on.

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I can appreciate and learn from this. All you told me was basically "your level was an awful mess of s**t and should never have been created."


Maybe if you look at it in a "doom and gloom" most extreme sense, maybe.

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I do take that personally,


You are not your creations- do not take negative opinions towards your work as a personal attack.

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and maybe it's just me, but just because I'm not WhiteYoshiEgg or worldpeace, doesn't make me any less human.


I never said not implied anything of the sort.

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Looking at your other comments for people with "bad" levels, I see that this treatment goes for pretty much everyone.


Most other bad levels in this contest either (1) were honest efforts that were broken in every sense or critically flawed in the "right" places or (2) were deliberately bad in an unfunny attempt at getting last place- which I am sick of seeing people try. It's low-hanging fruit that is hilariously easy to achieve and if you're trying to get last place, at least attempt with some style.

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(Negativelysonnette's level)
Creativity: Tim Tebow (15)/25
Curves: BBWs are Curvier (10)/25
Level: "Yacht of Opinions" (0)/25
Aesthetics: Eli Manning (10)/25

Overall: 35/100

Comments: I would rather read the entirety of Las Lindas and declare its Mary Sue protagonist as my waifu while I eagerly
let Counterfeit stick a gun into every single one of my holes without any resistance. However, I would also rather
not reduce myself to a drunken pile of tears with a sore everything (ie: a fan of the Cleveland Browns), so...


Negativelysonnette's entry (and how the user himself acted in these topic) stuck me (and the other judges) as the type that was submitted with clear understanding of what he was doing and what he trying to get and rather than give him exactly few screens and looked at the rest in LM to confirm my suspicions), I gave him a joke response.

The scored that entry because I was given no choice- if it were up to me, he would have been disqualified and his level not included in the results at all. The same goes for all of the other painfully unfunny "joke" levels. Your level was not a joke level, so it would not have been DQ'd.

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I am not the enemy. I love this forum and love what it stands for and how big it is. However, please, PLEASE, some constructive criticism next time instead of just a bunch of hate. Thanks.


Judges are under no obligation to give you any style of feedback at all. As long as they are not killing babies and committing vile acts of treason, then no harm no foul. I will not hold your hand just because someone didn't gift-wrap something you wanted.

Originally posted by MercuryPenny
this is still going on lol

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(Negativelysonnette's level)

His level deliberately ignored one of the important rules though? Not to mention that I played through a small chunk of it and it was basically dodging a bunch of munchers with a P-balloon. You literally can't draw any comparisons between yours and his because his was deliberately a pile of crap.

(2manyninjas)


Lol, ok. Point taken.

Originally posted by leod
Originally posted by Magiluigi
Then why are you so bothered.

Chill.


Because being a cunt to more people than just you [lettersandnumbers] isn't anything that'd make somebody feel less offended?

I'm still a bit surprised that MDP was even a judge in this, past experiences should've shown that while he can play levels (applause!), he's entirely unfit to rate and especially comment on them as a site representative (sounds a bit formal but I couldn't find a better word), since all he does is try to make as many people feel bad about their more or less hard work under the guise of being "harsh" and "honest", when really he's just being rude and a prick in general.
His comments specifically have caused shitstorms literally every single time, and while people just keep saying "meh whatever people will always bitch about their placement" it's pretty much entirely concentrated on his contributions always.


To clarify, the comments on the people who actually go for last are fine, they got what they asked for and probably agree with all the insults.

Originally posted by Koopster
You just don't expect MDP to act all nice in situations like this, because he won't be. He doesn't especially hate you because he speaks to you bluntly, harshly or rudely (possibly), that's just the way he acts most of the time, and we get to learn to take it lightly.

Just because he's been a dick consistently that doesn't suddenly make it better and nobody, especially not people who are relatively new, should be expected to take insults to themselves and/or their work lighter just because "that's how he is".



Originally posted by Torchkas
- Your level doesn't get judged on your worktime or scheduling.

He was just trying to argue against the "slapped together" point.

Originally posted by Torchkas
- Your level doesn't get judged on your humanity.

Nobody implied that, he was just saying he'd appreciate if he was treated with a bit more care, some people just don't have the benefit of an iron skin.

Originally posted by Torchkas
- Your level doesn't get judged on your site status.

Same as above.

Originally posted by Torchkas
The work of a critic is to criticize, which is exactly what MrDeePay is good at. Stop whining because you got told you're not always as good as you think you might be.
You see, as a critic you get a certain expectation from a contest level. Your level didn't meet that expectation, so it was considered not worthy of praiseworthy criticism.

You are literally missing the point, he never said that his level was rated unfairly, he is aware that it's not the best thing in the world, he just doesn't like having his metaphorical face slapped around with a turd.


Really helped. :D Appreciate that someone cares a bit.

Originally posted by MrDeePay
I will not hold your hand just because someone didn't gift-wrap something you wanted.
If you want to be a prick and look at it that way, great. But the work I put into this (I feel) is being disregarded. If that wasn't the intention, my bad. If it was, that's not my place to discuss as I don't know you personally. I'll end this here and say that I accept your "harsh" judging style. I'll keep this in consideration next time. Thanks. Paranoia out.
~theparanoiabug

Youtube channel is currently down; a new and improved one might show up this summer.

Currently making (slow) progress on my own hack.
Did I post in here yet?

Let's try to drift away from that a bit, and I'll be the 25403926852nd person to say congrats to all the winners, and get hyped for an LP of this (by me) when it's released! I'm hyped too.
I'm on your side paranoia, though I do tend to push for the little guy. Deepay is a certified dickhole, so you should take his comments with a grain of salt. He could have been a touch less cockish with his comments, though I do understand it's a lot of work to do every one seriously.

Why can't we just love each other forever?! I just want to hold everyone from SMWC in my arms and whisper sweet nothings into their little ears.

Originally posted by Xyspade
Let's try to drift away from that a bit, and I'll be the 25403926852nd person to say congrats to all the winners, and get hyped for an LP of this (by me) when it's released! I'm hyped too.

You're da real mvp here. I'm hyped as well~

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Originally posted by leod
I'm still a bit surprised that MDP was even a judge in this, past experiences should've shown that while he can play levels (applause!), he's entirely unfit to rate


> rate
Care to explain how?

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and especially comment on them as a site representative (sounds a bit formal but I couldn't find a better word), since all he does is try to make as many people feel bad about their more or less hard work under the guise of being "harsh" and "honest", when really he's just being rude and a prick in general.


If I really, really wanted to make people feel bad for what they've done, then I can do that very easy.

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His comments specifically have caused shitstorms literally every single time, and while people just keep saying "meh whatever people will always bitch about their placement" it's pretty much entirely concentrated on his contributions always.


People, are easily offended and will use even the smallest opportunity they can to complain about something they don't like. People's bottom line is remarkably low.

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If you want to be a prick


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Deepay is a certified dickhole, so you should take his comments with a grain of salt. He could have been a touch less cockish with his comments, though I do understand it's a lot of work to do every one seriously.


You two are just begging for a fight, are you? Do you (Lynnes) want to fan the flames and derail this even more? Because I can get real nasty (none of that stuff you people already get your knickers in a twist over, either) real quickly if you prod me enough.

a staff member is part of something people would normally get scorned for by staff members

never would have seen that coming, really
Originally posted by MrDeePay
> rate
Care to explain how?

Because you are the embodiment of elitism, though as you could probably tell, I didn't put much weight in that point compared to the other.

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If I really, really wanted to make people feel bad for what they've done, then I can do that very easy.

Your intentions really don't matter if you already do that anyway.

What you're saying is basically the same logic as saying "if I really wanted to, I could drive over a lot more people a lot easier" right after driving someone over because you were distracted by a phone call.
It's just not a point at all and can easily be avoided still.


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People, are easily offended and will use even the smallest opportunity they can to complain about something they don't like. People's bottom line is remarkably low.

People being easily offended is the reason you should try a bit more not to than "not at all".
If people are still upset about your judgement even when you're wording things as normal as the other judges in every other contest do, then they're obviously just salty deluxe.
But that isn't the case.


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You two are just begging for a fight, are you?

No, I'm just being 'harsh' and 'honest'.
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I would honestly blame those who deliberately made poor levels for starting this because I'm fairly certain they, in a way, influenced the feedback on the other low-ranking levels by trying the judges' patience. That's what I think, at least.

And to be honest, I'd be totally on board with outright disqualifying any deliberately bad entries next year because they really seemed to just fuel the fires.
Aren't we maybe exaggerating a bit? I honestly don't see much wrong with MDP's judging other than the comments on a single level, and that was already discussed and we sort of came to a conclusion, so do we really need to keep this up?

I don't see anything wrong with being a little less harsh next time, but the one issue we had was paranoia's level, which we have seen that wasn't really "slapped together at the last minute" as it seemed.

Honestly, considering had quite a few joke-ish levels this year it would be easy to see some of the levels on the worst world as this. Plus, other than that I completely agree with MDP's comments.