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Ok, how about a new proposal? We can ask an admin to create a poll, and we'll vote if we're in favor of or against anonymous voting. Regardless of the reasoning, if a significant portion of the userbase wants it, I feel we should do it.
I feel a poll is definitely in order with how people feel about the whole thing. That'll be the best way to decide.
Originally posted by K3fka
Ok, how about a new proposal? We can ask an admin to create a poll, and we'll vote if we're in favor of or against anonymous voting. Regardless of the reasoning, if a significant portion of the userbase wants it, I feel we should do it.

Well, that's one way to streamline counting votes. I say we should do that.
E: Weighing in on the earlier convo - DeePay sounds like he's trying to pass off his inferences/generalizations as fact, and the (for lack of a better way to put it) demeaning tone he's taking isn't really helping matters.

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Originally posted by K3fka
Ok, how about a new proposal? We can ask an admin to create a poll, and we'll vote if we're in favor of or against anonymous voting. Regardless of the reasoning, if a significant portion of the userbase wants it, I feel we should do it.

While I do not mind the existence of polls to help decide on matters when the userbase is at an impasse, I do wonder if you are also going to consider the merits and drawbacks of the arguments for or against x policy for vldcs this case since I personally find well-reasoned arguments worth more weight than just popular voting on matters like these.

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-I also do not accept speculative work as I do have various art I made on-hand with me.
-I am more receptive to equivalent exchange of resources in which case, you can DM me wherever I have an active presence on for the details.
-Other times I'm availible for your project is C3 request threads I may run.




Throwing merits and pros/cons aside, if the majority of the userbase wants to decide via poll, I believe it would be the best option. I'm in favor of using a poll to decide the future voting for the next vldc regardless of the consequences or awards. A majority vote speaks for itself.

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Originally posted by amhunter
Throwing merits and pros/cons aside, if the majority of the userbase wants to decide via poll, I believe it would be the best option. I'm in favor of using a poll to decide the future voting for the next vldc regardless of the consequences or awards. A majority vote speaks for itself.

I see though i'm open to the possibility that the users who are going to take that majority voting option can very well be wrong (popular vote does not always mean well improving on the process that is in contention) to decide on this course of action on the outcome.

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On Pixel Art Requests: I generally do not accept work unless I either have the time, if I see your project worth my time to contribute towards, and that is usually me doing the approaching to you on that.
-I also do not accept speculative work as I do have various art I made on-hand with me.
-I am more receptive to equivalent exchange of resources in which case, you can DM me wherever I have an active presence on for the details.
-Other times I'm availible for your project is C3 request threads I may run.




We run events like this for the userbase. In my opinion it should be up to the userbase to decide whether or not they want this system. Regardless of whether or not their reasoning is good, if it's something a significant portion of the userbase wants, I think it's wrong to ignore that desire.
I'm in favor on hosting a pole. Although reading this thread I think it's pretty clear the majority is in favor of anonymous judging.
Originally posted by StrikeForcer
Originally posted by K3fka
Ok, how about a new proposal? We can ask an admin to create a poll, and we'll vote if we're in favor of or against anonymous voting. Regardless of the reasoning, if a significant portion of the userbase wants it, I feel we should do it.

While I do not mind the existence of polls to help decide on matters when the userbase is at an impasse, I do wonder if you are also going to consider the merits and drawbacks of the arguments for or against x policy for vldcs this case since I personally find well-reasoned arguments worth more weight than just popular voting on matters like these.

Funny how you have a petition link in your signature while you're saying this.
Interesting to see that the poll seems tied.

Originally posted by Skewer
Those who scored higher I'm noticing are okay with Anonymous Judging, and those who scored lower, for the most are not. Anonymous or not, if a level is badly designed in any of the judging departments, it's going to score lower; regardless if the judges know who made it or not.


I placed pretty well (14th) and I'm okay with it. However, I also think that the judges next year should have a huge say in whether we do it. The biggest con that anonymous judging has is it's a huge amount of work for the judges and Jack.

I understand the argument that anonymous judging was pushed for because the same users were tired of losing, and the fact of the matter is that they just aren't good enough and need to get better in order to beat the people who actually are good. However, I'd say that while this is true, it also takes time to establish one's name as a good level designer. If someone who is known for crappy levels follows the advice of everyone, practices a lot and becomes good, and submits a great level, there is still bias against that person's name because they're known for crappy levels. I'm known almost exclusively as a Kaizo hackers, so when if the judges open my level and see that it's by me, are they going to get worried that it's going to be insanely hard and judge the difficulty poorly?
Originally posted by GbreezeSunset
Interesting to see that the poll seems tied.

Originally posted by Skewer
Those who scored higher I'm noticing are okay with Anonymous Judging, and those who scored lower, for the most are not. Anonymous or not, if a level is badly designed in any of the judging departments, it's going to score lower; regardless if the judges know who made it or not.


I placed pretty well (14th) and I'm okay with it. However, I also think that the judges next year should have a huge say in whether we do it. The biggest con that anonymous judging has is it's a huge amount of work for the judges and Jack.

I understand the argument that anonymous judging was pushed for because the same users were tired of losing, and the fact of the matter is that they just aren't good enough and need to get better in order to beat the people who actually are good. However, I'd say that while this is true, it also takes time to establish one's name as a good level designer. If someone who is known for crappy levels follows the advice of everyone, practices a lot and becomes good, and submits a great level, there is still bias against that person's name because they're known for crappy levels. I'm known almost exclusively as a Kaizo hackers, so when if the judges open my level and see that it's by me, are they going to get worried that it's going to be insanely hard and judge the difficulty poorly?

There's also people (like me) who, despite scoring low, still think anonymous judging did a good-enough job removing bias that it became less about the maker and more about the level being made.
If anything, the change in outcome on the higher end confirms the theory that the same people who won were generally doing so because they both had a good name and good design to match. As such, by removing the name aspect, we can already see some big shifts in the top 5.
tl;dr: I think anon judging proved its point

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Lool compared to other users , I liked the result.#tb{^V^}

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After the fiasco that was my poorly planned two-exit level that technically came in after the deadline and had a really dumb gimmick (although the Portal level I saw this time did what I was going for but better), I'm fine with my slightly-wonky ice race level followed by some relatively boring icicle dodging getting the place it got. #thp{^_^}
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I liked my score, but i think there was a lot of drawns this time... also, I think this year we had a bigger contest, with much more submissions right?

Oh Well, thinking this way makes my score similar to my score from last year... Again, not bad for someone that's stuck in every way possible in real life and doesn't have much time to make a level...

Judges, thanks for the commentaries and I'll consider them in my future projects...

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Wow, I can't believe how many entries were submitted, there are over 100. Can't wait to play this. #tb{:j}

I'm not sure if Mario/Luigi are though #smw{O_O!}


Now to figure out how to put all non disqualified ones in an overworld.

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This is a somerandomdude312 official post like anyone cares at this point

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I'm a bit late (better late than never, right?), but I'd like to thank Jack for hosting the contest and the judges for taking the time to judge all those entries.

I'm pretty happy with 6th place #tb{:j} Kinda takes me back to the 5th VLDC where I was also in a 3-way tie for 6th, also with Lui.

Also, congrats to the winners! I'm looking forward to the collab hack.
So I assume all 0's was a dq then?

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Absurdly late but I never thought my unassuming level would score highly enough to not only end up in the best world but also right beside the ultimate husbando: SNN-senpai (ah~!). I'm really glad #tb{:]}.

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Originally posted by Skewer
Those who scored higher I'm noticing are okay with Anonymous Judging, and those who scored lower, for the most are not. Anonymous or not, if a level is badly designed in any of the judging departments, it's going to score lower; regardless if the judges know who made it or not.


I got 101st place and I'm totally okay with anonymous judging. Last year we ran into a giant shitshow in the comments when MrDeePay was the judge. This year, besides MrDeePay, I really don't see anyone taking issue with the anonymous judging. Unless there's an overwhelming reason that can persuade the entire userbase to change their opinion, I say keep going with anonymous judging.

Personally, I know I'm a bad level desginer. I understand that. I doubt that my score would increase if the judges were known because I am not a famous hacker, nor was my level good. The only people I've noticed complain about this are salty because they thought they wanted a higher score, or MrDeePay because he's salty that he couldn't get away with starting his shitshow that he produced last year and as a result ended up not being a judge this year.

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Originally posted by Proto Man

I got 101st place and I'm totally okay with anonymous judging. Last year we ran into a giant shitshow in the comments when MrDeePay was the judge.


And how much of that "shit show" was directly related to the judging of the contest?

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This year, besides MrDeePay, I really don't see anyone taking issue with the anonymous judging. Unless there's an overwhelming reason that can persuade the entire userbase to change their opinion, I say keep going with anonymous judging.


More than you think aren't in favor of anonymous judging.

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or MrDeePay because he's salty that he couldn't get away with starting his shitshow that he produced last year and as a result ended up not being a judge this year.


You are desperately trying very hard to get me to stoop down to your level with the petty insults that stems (partially) from your VLDC8 level, which you carried through other outlets, huh? (ie: complaining on YouTube playthroughs)

Get over yourself.

Do not attempt to try to play that game- you will not be told again.

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