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2016 Orlando Nightclub Shooting
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Originally posted by MrRean
Originally posted by Veck
Originally posted by MrRean
I really hope you're kidding.


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Originally posted by GageThorton's Signature
I vote for Donald Trump!

Make America Great Again! (MAGA)


I doubt it.


haha, the second I saw the post before replying I said this on irc:'

<MrRean> http://smwc.me/1336557 < he must be a trump supporter

i officially love you

But either way, saying something as massive as this is a hoax is downright awful.

I'm gonna be brutally honest with you two, Gage is pretty much the epitomy of stupid 12yo

There's a reason he's section banned
I figured that was the case, but still. Whether it's a joke or if he's serious doesn't matter here—that's just plain fucked up.
Wow, Veck, you don't like Donald Trump?

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Originally posted by Leomon
Originally posted by MrRean
Originally posted by Veck
Originally posted by MrRean
I really hope you're kidding.


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Originally posted by GageThorton's Signature
I vote for Donald Trump!

Make America Great Again! (MAGA)


I doubt it.


haha, the second I saw the post before replying I said this on irc:'

<MrRean> http://smwc.me/1336557 < he must be a trump supporter

i officially love you

But either way, saying something as massive as this is a hoax is downright awful.

I'm gonna be brutally honest with you two, Gage is pretty much the epitomy of stupid 12yo

There's a reason he's section banned


Wow, someone's really harsh.

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I...don't recall anybody ever making a new account for quite literally no reason, but okay.

Getting back on topic: has anyone found out if all the injured people survived? As unlikely as it is, I really hope that there weren't any additional deaths from people that just couldn't be saved in time.
Originally posted by Veck
I...don't recall anybody ever making a new account for quite literally no reason, but okay.

Getting back on topic: has anyone found out if all the injured people survived? As unlikely as it is, I really hope that there weren't any additional deaths from people that just couldn't be saved in time.



As far as I know, those injured are physically ok.


People are thinking there's an easy solution:
"Ban guns"
"Rid us of muslims"
"Give everyone a gun"

The truth is, every different solution people propose, it's ALL of them.
Like it or not, america does have a gun problem. We're WAY too trigge r happy. Even if assault rifles were never allowed off military grounds, we still have murder-suicides, drive bys, accidentals, domestic violence, animal cruelty, the list goes on. Giving EVERYONE a gun would just make people afraid to leave their homes. I could keep a gun and just scare people shitless all day long without firing it. Imagine if oyu walked into a mall, and 50 people had a gun pointed on you because you had a darker skin complexion and looked funny.



Ejecting all msulims from the US is not only impossible, but a step below genocide, espeically since there are over a billion muslims, and not even 12,000 confirmed isis members.

America has proven it has the means to perform proper background checks, yet is too "politically correct" to take action. It disgusts me to say this, but perhaps until something like a mass shooting in a congressional, or better yet an NRA meeting happens, I don't see much happening anytime soon.

American media condemns islam for their "homocidal" culture, yet we turn a blind eye to our own urge and history of killings. As long as the NRA exists and people in serious need of help are considered crying for attention and can get a firearm before proper help, absolutely nothing will change.
Originally posted by Sockbat Replica
ISIS and their followers have the correct interpretation of the Quran.


Sorry for being late on this, but could you please elaborate on this statement, since as it stands, this could very well be one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read on this forum? Thank you.

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Sorry that I was thinking that this whole mishap was a hoax.

I found that out 5 days ago on a forum at another website.

I believed that it was a hoax at first, but, now people are telling me, "OH, GGAMER, YOU'RE A STUPID 12 YEAR OLD!"

People just need to let go sometimes.


When I look back at the news yesterday, I figured out that it was real, because many people were dead.

Sorry for being so cruel to you guys.

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Originally posted by Face
Originally posted by Sockbat Replica
ISIS and their followers have the correct interpretation of the Quran.


Sorry for being late on this, but could you please elaborate on this statement, since as it stands, this could very well be one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read on this forum? Thank you.


2:216 - "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not."

4:24 - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."

4:89 - "They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them."

8:15 - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them."

8:16 - "Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

9:4 - "Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

9:5 - "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

9:29 - "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:123 - "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

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Originally posted by Sockbat Replica

2:216 - "Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not."

4:24 - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."

4:89 - "They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them."

8:15 - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them."

8:16 - "Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless manoeuvring for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

9:4 - "Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

9:5 - "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

9:29 - "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low."

9:123 - "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."


During the time, the Muslims where driven out of their homes, humiliated and prosecuted just because they believed in Islam.

These verses where revealed to them when they were prosecuted. They were never prosecuted because they were threatening to kill anybody from the start.

They had no other option to defend themselves other than to fight back, and even then, it's explicitly stated that if the idolaters ceased fighting, the Muslims would no longer fight back, they would show mercy.


And as far as I can tell, "ISIS" and all the other terrorists aren't even being merciful with their attacks.
They are no more than modern-day Kharijites.

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After the death of Mohammad in 632 these people conquered half the world. Was this all in self defence too? Did the Prophet Mohammad marry a 9 year old girl because Muslims were being persecuted?

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please refrain from shitting on an entire religion k thanks. i don't care if you think an extremist fundamentalist interpretation of the Quran is correct, the vast majority of muslims do not by any means agree with what ISIS is doing. it's in extremely poor taste for you to immediately derail a discussion of a tragedy by pushing your Islamophobic agenda. Please take that shit elsewhere.

Originally posted by Sockbat Replica
After the death of Mohammad in 632 these people conquered half the world. Was this all in self defence too? Did the Prophet Mohammad marry a 9 year old girl because Muslims were being persecuted?


That has little to do with the whole topic to begin with.
They simply spread their message to a great part of the world, and to create a nation that was made to rid of the tyranny and corruption of other nations, and to keep the Muslims protected from persecution.
The people who embraced Islam did so because they where moved by the teachings of righteousness, piety, alms-giving to the poor and needy and submission to the one god, Allah.


Also, the marriage of the Prophet Muhammad, sallalahu aleyhi wasallam, and Aisha, radhiallahu 'anha, was a normal thing for it's time, and not even the people at the time who hated everything about Islam, who looked for everything to criticize about it, did not even mention their marriage as a negative thing, because it was normal back then.
Perhaps this might help answer your question?

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Originally posted by Sockbat Replica
After the death of Mohammad in 632 these people conquered half the world. Was this all in self defence too? Did the Prophet Mohammad marry a 9 year old girl because Muslims were being persecuted?

Norse Pagans did a fair bit of conquering. Maybe anyone in modern day with a Mjolnir necklace around their neck is potentially a terrorist too.

Ya know who else have done some rotten things in history? The Third Reich.
Ya know what their actions were a result of? Hate and fear of an entire religion.

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Originally posted by Sockbat Replica (paraphrased)


boy golly! i sure do love it when edgelords like you come out of the woodwork after a mass shooting or some other national tragedy and immediately decide to push your dumb anti-[insert religion here] agenda!

haha just kidding, show some fucking respect you twat

Originally posted by K3fka
It's along the lines of, say, the Westboro Baptist Church. Would you say they are representative of all Christians? No, it's a relatively small group of extremists.


this boi knows whats up

since you also wanna cherrypick some quran quotes likely already lifted for you by some fuckin' islamophobia-based facebook group that consists mostly of trump supporters and close-minded shit-for-brains cocksuckers who're mad that babu bhatt's turkey was dry, allow me the same courtesy, since isis definitely interprets the entirety of the quran, especially the TOTALLY NOT out-of-context quotes you provided:

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2:190 Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors.
2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.

2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.

2:194 [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, then assault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear God and know that God is with those who fear Him.

2:195 And spend in the way of God and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, God loves the doers of good.


mhm, isis and their followers really take these highlights on the nose! looks like you were right all along, you fuckin' religion buff! also, since we're just gonna go with the out-of-context highlighting theme, let's just cherrypick some random quotes too and pretend they're all about violence and jihad support:

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2:172 O ye who believe! Eat of the good things wherewith We have provided you, and render thanks to Allah if it is (indeed) He whom ye worship

“One should not prevent others from watering their animals with the surplus of his water in order to prevent them from benefiting by the surplus of grass.”
(Sahih al-Bukhari, Book 90, Hadith 9)

21:68 They cried: Burn him and stand by your gods, if ye will be doing.

10:89 Allah said: "Accepted is your prayer (O Moses and Aaron)! So stand ye straight, and follow not the path of those who know not."



tl;dr this is a thread for the mass shooting in orlando, not for you to flaunt your dickhead opinions everywhere just because isis was briefly mentioned. for the sanity of literally everyone else, just take your bullshit back to 8chan or wherever anyone with a stupid opinion congregates

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Sockbat Replica, I suppose you think the atrocities committed by the Crusaders were justified?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_%281099%29#Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_massacres

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Originally posted by ergazoobi
please refrain from shitting on an entire religion k thanks. i don't care if you think an extremist fundamentalist interpretation of the Quran is correct, the vast majority of muslims do not by any means agree with what ISIS is doing. it's in extremely poor taste for you to immediately derail a discussion of a tragedy by pushing your Islamophobic agenda. Please take that shit elsewhere.


Why should religion get a special immunity from criticism? If this was a thread about the assassination of British MP Jo Cox at the hands of someone who was clearly motivated by far right nationalist politics. Would the irresponsible politics of UKIP be off-limits from criticism? So why should a religion that largely demonises homosexuals be immune from the same sort of criticism that a political ideology would just because it's a religion?



If instead of shooting up a gay nightclub if this Muslim instead were doing something charitable like say working at a soup kitchen would you credit his religion for his generosity?


Originally posted by AntiDuck
That has little to do with the whole topic to begin with. They simply spread their message to a great part of the world, and to create a nation that was made to rid of the tyranny and corruption of other nations, and to keep the Muslims protected from persecution. The people who embraced Islam did so because they where moved by the teachings of righteousness, piety, alms-giving to the poor and needy and submission to the one god, Allah.


First of all they didn't spread their religion by handing out pamphlets and singing Kumbaya did they?

Originally posted by AntiDuck
Also, the marriage of the Prophet Muhammad, sallalahu aleyhi wasallam, and Aisha, radhiallahu 'anha, was a normal thing for it's time, and not even the people at the time who hated everything about Islam, who looked for everything to criticize about it, did not even mention their marriage as a negative thing, because it was normal back then.
Perhaps this might help answer your question?


It's funny how the people who are supposed to have gotten a perfect revelation from a perfect creator are all of a sudden permitted situational ethics when these sorts of moral blemishes show up. This may have been morally normal for Mohammad's time just as slavery and the subjugation of women was. So perhaps this is why we should stop looking to these ancient people for our wisdom and morality. We've learned so much more about how the world works since these so called holy books were written.

Originally posted by Face
Norse Pagans did a fair bit of conquering. Maybe anyone in modern day with a Mjolnir necklace around their neck is potentially a terrorist too.

Ya know who else have done some rotten things in history? The Third Reich.
Ya know what their actions were a result of? Hate and fear of an entire religion.


Yes we're totally taking our shoes off at the airport right now because of all these crazy Norse Pagans.

Also you're not comparing like with like with your Nazi Germany analogy. The Nazis were not simply criticising the tenets of the Jewish faith(which are every bit as grotesque as that of the Islamic faith) they hated the Jews as people. The main justification for the Nazi genocide was the Protocols of the Elders of Zion(which is currently part of Hamas' manifesto BTW) which posited an insane conspiracy about Jews secretly controlling the world. Likewise a lot of the antisemitism in Europe was from the Catholic Church charging the Jews with deicide which again is very different from criticising the Old Testament.

Originally posted by Cascade
Sockbat Replica, I suppose you think the atrocities committed by the Crusaders were justified?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_%281099%29#Massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhineland_massacres


No I don't actually.

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Just to return to the topic, overall, one may not approve of or feel comfortable with homosexuality, but it is wrong to harass or attack homosexual people in such an atrocious manner, or in really any manner.

If any of them embrace Islam, then let them embrace Islam, but if they don't, then leave them be, God will take care of it.

These terrorists, these Kharijites, are guilty of innovating Islam to spread fear for the purpose of power, they are the ones misguided by the Shayțãn, the devils, they are misguided by foolish dreams.

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Originally posted by Sockbat Replica


Why should religion get a special immunity from criticism? If this was a thread about the assassination of British MP Jo Cox at the hands of someone who was clearly motivated by far right nationalist politics. Would the irresponsible politics of UKIP be off-limits from criticism? So why should a religion that largely demonises homosexuals be immune from the same sort of criticism that a political ideology would just because it's a religion?


i'd criticise you just as hard if you said "killing government leaders is the correct interpretation of the UKIP platform" or some shit like that. either way you're demonizing a whole group for the actions of a small group of extremists, that goes far beyond just "criticism". it's hateful, ignorant as fuck and gratuitously offensive to members of the group.

as I said before we don't do that shit here. i will not ask you again, take that shit elsewhere. consider this an official warning.

anyway this is a thread for discussing the orlando tragedy not arguing about whether or not Islam sucks so if we could please get this shit back on topic that would be great.

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