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Hey ya'll.

The purpose of this thread is to clarify anything with the judges without the need to PM any of us. The ruleset can be a bit tricky to figure out at times, so feel free to ask in this thread and we'll answer you to the best of our abilities.

Please, though, this thread is not to be abused. Do not post specific questions about the "fun" of your level or any sort of matter like that. We are not judging your levels here.
Originally posted by rules
You cannot use recoloring to reduce the number of colors in a tile, which is to say you cannot remap both colors 2 and 4 to color 4, for example
So you aren't allowed to colour a tile if the colour is already being used by the tile. Are we allowed to abuse a loophole by having that same colour saved to a different spot (so a solid tile coloured colour 4 becomes half colour 4 half colour 9, for example), and does this include colouring over transparency?

Originally posted by rules
You can merge 2 (two) tiles together, but you cannot stack mergings.
i dont entirely understand this. does it mean stacking is only limited to 2, or you cant do it at all.
wait, i think i understand. you can stack two tiles, but you cant stack already stacked tiles. right?
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Originally posted by rules
You cannot use recoloring to reduce the number of colors in a tile, which is to say you cannot remap both colors 2 and 4 to color 4, for example


Does this rule apply to Layer 3 backgrounds too? I want to use Layer 3 background in a level, however one of tiles actually uses 4 colors in game (Layer 2). With that rule, I'm not allowed to have Layer 3 leaves in background. This sounds like something this rule wasn't supposed to prevent, so I ask to make sure.

To be exact, the leaves in background in bottom left corner is what I ask about (normally they use 4 colors in game, but it was reduced to 3 due to Layer 3 limitations):

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Originally posted by Hobz
Are we allowed to abuse a loophole by having that same colour saved to a different spot

As long as the 8x8 tile itself still uses the same number of colors, then it doesn't matter what the palette is. You can do this without recoloring, so it makes no sense to ban it here.

Originally posted by Hobz
Originally posted by rules
You can merge 2 (two) tiles together, but you cannot stack mergings.

i dont entirely understand this. does it mean stacking is only limited to 2, or you cant do it at all.
wait, i think i understand. you can stack two tiles, but you cant stack already stacked tiles. right?

Correct.

Originally posted by GlitchMr
Does this rule apply to Layer 3 backgrounds too? I want to use Layer 3 background in a level, however one of tiles actually uses 4 colors in game (Layer 2). With that rule, I'm not allowed to have Layer 3 leaves in background. This sounds like something this rule wasn't supposed to prevent, so I ask to make sure.

Does simply converting it into layer 3 not work?
Originally posted by Noivern
Originally posted by GlitchMr
Does this rule apply to Layer 3 backgrounds too? I want to use Layer 3 background in a level, however one of tiles actually uses 4 colors in game (Layer 2). With that rule, I'm not allowed to have Layer 3 leaves in background. This sounds like something this rule wasn't supposed to prevent, so I ask to make sure.

Does simply converting it into layer 3 not work?


To clarify, this is how original tile looks:



There are 6 colors, which were reduced to three due to Layer 3 limitations.

I don't quite understand that copying and paste rule.

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Originally posted by rules
You can use YY-CHR to convert 4BPP graphics (Layer 1/2 tiles) to 2BPP (Layer 3 tiles) by copy-pasting them.

Is the reverse operation (convert 2BPP into 4BPP) allowed ? And if yes, can the result be recolored or is it also limited to copy-pasting only ?
Originally posted by GlitchMr
I don't quite understand that copying and paste rule.

In YY-CHR:

1. Open your 4BPP GFX file with the tile in it that you want to convert to layer 3.
2. Change the graphic format to 4BPP SNES.
3. In another window, open the 2KB GFX file used for the layer 3 tiles.
4. Change the graphic format in that window to 2BPP GB.
5. Copy the file in the 4BPP window and paste it in the 2BPP window.
6. Save and insert.

Originally posted by Mathos
Originally posted by rules
You can use YY-CHR to convert 4BPP graphics (Layer 1/2 tiles) to 2BPP (Layer 3 tiles) by copy-pasting them.

Is the reverse operation (convert 2BPP into 4BPP) allowed ? And if yes, can the result be recolored or is it also limited to copy-pasting only ?

Yes and yes.
Are we allowed to recolor only a few colors on a tile?
For example, can I move color 4 to color 6 on a tile but leave colors 1-3 unchanged?

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Originally posted by MandL27
Are we allowed to recolor only a few colors on a tile?
For example, can I move color 4 to color 6 on a tile but leave colors 1-3 unchanged?

Yes, as long as every instance of color 4 is changed to color 6 and color 6 is originally unused in that tile.
Does this mean we won't see another Hostel level this year
Originally posted by Heraga
Does this mean we won't see another Hostel level this year


it means this year's hostel will be on world X #ab{;)}
Question: Can we take out aesthetics scoring completely so nobody has anything to complain about?
I'm not a judge, but they won't be changed at all. It's integral part of the VLDC. People can keep complaining but that day will never happen, unless if a bad hoster is put for the future ones.

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Originally posted by Skewer
Question: Can we take out aesthetics scoring completely so nobody has anything to complain about?


People will complain that aesthetics scoring was removed.
The complaints are never a reason to take out aesthetics scoring. 9 years of VLDC has made it clear that there is more interest for entrants to make creative settings using vanilla resources. That sort of creativity is fun, and VLDC should encourage fun.

VLDC6 was boring. There's a reason why those rulesets were never revisited ever again.
will using those red light-switch blocks be factored into aesthetics scores? i know its kind of a dumb question, but figured i ask
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Case by case. I won't divulge my exact thoughts on using it only for aesthetic purposes, but if it is used for that purpose only and no for gameplay, then I'd think it'd go toward aesthetics.
i mean the opposite, sorry! I meant in a situation where to avoid breaking a level, you need to place one so the sprite can pass but you cant.
So say I have an atmospheric kind of ice level, and then you see this red light-switch block on screen, would that be a "oh that doesn't belong here gonna dock some points", or is it understood that there's no real workaround in that situation*
*i know that there is if you try hard enough, I'm asking in a general sense

Hope that makes more sense!
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Uhm...it's gameplay related, but like anything gameplay related it has graphics so...it's like any regular thing you do.
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