Destiny...

Just about the same thing as Sagittaire said; I believe that too.

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I meant that he's wrong about what I said.

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Justin Case.

Say your watching someone, and they are about to do something, but for some strange reason, you know exactly what their about to do, just from watching them.

Just because you knew what they were about to do, doesn't mean that they are forced to do so because you knew what they were about to do before they did it.


As for my opinion on destiny, I'm huge sci-fi fan, and I like to believe in the whole alternate time lines thing, as well as temporal mechanics and theoretical sciences. It's all a logic puzzle to solve, one that I think about a lot.

Don't get me started on time travel theories though. I have a ton. Like the solution to the Grandfather paradox.

Well, actually, you don't. You think you do. Because of entropy we can never know what will exactly happen when somebody jumps, etc.. There is something similar for other things. We make educated guesses. It doesn't matter how educated it is, it still has slight potential to be wrong. These things are so rare however, that they don't happen. Imagine the possibilty of trilions upon trilions of molecules moving in such a way that it makes it look like someone was trying to move. If you actually know that something will happen, it must happen. This stuff is very complex, partially because we can't read each other's minds. However, say your proposition is true. What about the cases where it isn't? It just takes the slightest difference to be wrong.

Sind, your post actually was the reason I made my signature. Also, technically, we all have but a corner of God's truth. We cannot hope to have it all, because it is to large for us to comprehend. Therefore, some have smigeons and the Episcapagens have none (if you knew what was going on, you would understand).

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Ok then, let's say you have a fancy timeship. You go into the future, and find out what's going on. Then go back in time to your starting point.

You would know exactly what would happen (considering you don't accidentally change it). But just because you know it, doesn't mean people lost their free will.

But then there's the idea of, everything we do is "programmed" into by out experiences and genetics, so with enough though you could comprehend a single timeline, thus destiny could be possible.



Basically, from what I've seen, the belief in destiny depends on the belief in a sole timeline, or multiple ones.

Now you are expecting us to be able to go back in time? First of all, that actually would force it to happen (therefore causing "destiny"). Secondly, you are expecting us to think that God peaks at the future, etc.. Such actions would cause us to lose free will. We still must do it. In fact, the only reason we have free will is comparible to Schodinger's cat, nobody knows the future. We could say that all without the info experince free will but even then we wouldn't. It doesn't matter what happens, if someone knows what will happen, we are obligated to do it. Under no circumstance, will we not.
I know this is pointless arguing, (since, as I pointed out eariler, nobody is right, not, nobody is wrong) but it's fun because of that (I'm very strange, aren't I?).

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Oi.

Have you ever considered that it was free will that MADE the future the person knows?

Yes, but if you know it will happen then, it's no longer free will. You go into the future and the future "happened out of free will". Then when you come back, such is no longer true. It's very complex. Your future self (who's in the past) made it so that it must happen. Your current self didn't. I don't know how to word my argument, so I'll just stop here.

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I believe you have the right to pick what you do in own life, but "Destiny" is merely the story of what choices you chose.

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Justin, all you're doing is stating the same thing over and over again without any reasoning.

How about we prove god himself with your reasoning skills.

ARGUMENT FROM NOT-BELIEVING
(1) The New Testament says people like you would question us.
(2) You question us.
(3) Therefore the Bible is true.
(4) Therefore, God exists

WOOHOO! I JUST PROVED GOD!

AND IF YOU REFUTE THIS, I'LL JUST COME UP WITH ANOTHER HALF-ASSED ARGUMENT!


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OMG! I totally believe in god now! =O *shot*


Anyways:.

No you're not. I also think religious debates are very fun =P
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I have a totally crack-job theory that makes absolutely no sense, but it's interesting to think about.

Our universe was created by a team of people, called the Programmers.
The Programmers spent the better part of the beginning of time coding and creating the graphics for the universe. After the alpha and beta testing, universe.exe was done.
They booted up the program and let it run, being what is today.

In other words, we are all coded beings, controlled by a complex AI system in a giant program with awesome graphics. However, there are bugs in the system that are fixed as they are noticed by the Programmers. This is what unexplainable things are. Diseases are viruses that made their way into the program.

I just realized this sounds a lot like the Matrix. lol

Anyway, the end of the universe is the deletion of universe.exe. But the Programmers have backups. So we'll be fine.


If this were all actually happening then I just don't know anymore.

I guess I'm just not good enough at wording things to say what I'm trying to say. Also, I would like to point out that an arguement is about rewording things to fit the case. That is what we're doing. You can't present an arguement without being able to word things in multiple ways. The arguement must be true in all cases that the one who you are arguing against can think of.
Besides, I think the same of you. When ever you're on the opposite side you will just see the other person's point as a previous point.
Anyway, what I'm saying is, is that it is from your point of view if it is free will to you. True free will is when nobody can see it as free will. If you go to the future and find out that you were captured easily (and you know how), either, the multiple time-line theory works or you some how won't be able to avoid it. You are obviously showing that you think that my way of thinking doesn't care about if the multiple time line theory. Personally, I belive that you cannot travel back in time, because I don't belive in the multiple time-line theory.

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Justin.

Debates are not about rewording things every time you say something, its about having evidence and logic continuously backing up your statements.

If I were to list off 569 ways to prove god, but they all were rephrasing each other, would it be a good argument? No it wouldn't. Because nobody is interested in hearing the same thing over and over and over again.

And for the laughs, I add another two of the 569.

ARGUMENT FROM JOHN LENNON
(1) John Lennon once said that the Beatles were more popular than Jesus.
(2) I didn't like that.
(3) Somebody killed him for saying that.
(4) Obviously, God didn't like him saying that, either.
(5) Therefore, God exists.

The ARGUMENT FROM THE THRONE ROOM
(1) Would you stand in the presence of a mighty king and demand that he prove he exists?
(2) No?
(3) That's what you're doing with God, you arrogant bastards.
(4) I don't CARE that you can't see him!
(5) Therefore, God exists.

There.

It isn't just about it, yes. However, that is a big part of it. I'm just going to stop here, because I,
A) don't want to get any further off-topic and
B) don't want us to be killing each other because we're trying to pierce every defence our foe can put up.
I suppose if we try to do the other person's standpoint we can go on. Otherwise, I'll wind-up "killing you in my sleep" because you just can't see my stand point. If either of us "surrender", the other one will get angry because it will seem like we are trying to defend our original cause.

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If this were the IRC, I would reply with a simple...

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I figure there's one "future" that's GOING to happen, even if there are infinite "possible futures"

so in that regard, yes, your future is destined...