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i think there could be some nice discussion stemming from your feedback, so you can post it here

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I'm a bit tired from today since I just got home from a long trip so I'll just post it as it was sent.

Originally posted by RanAS
Originally posted by idol
We'll be releasing this survey following C3, and until then if you guys have any input on what you'd like to see on this survey (please be as honest as hell!) hit us up at our staff feedback page.

Hey, I'm personally happy with how the site has been going recently, but there are a few things that maybe could be improved. If you want a tl;dr just read the last paragraph on each point.

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This is a minor question but I guess it would be nice to have an option on the survey to see how many users would be interested in a general site-redesign, or at least having each section more clearly defined and easy to differentiate between one another. Nothing too major like a complete rewrite, just a minor update to the layout of the site.

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Sometimes it's difficult to know if staff have received our feedback or our suggestions regarding the site. Even a generic reply like "okay, got it, we'll see what we can do" is useful. On the site itself, there's plenty of resources that have tried to fix this such as this page and the Staff Feedback Thread, but I feel like maybe moderation is still too opaque. I feel like Telinc1 is very much an exception to this and a good example on how other staff could improve their relation with the userbase. I know that important discussion will always happen behind closed doors, that's normal, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to be just a bit more transparent, specially when the user suggesting the feature has been all but left out of the discussion, in the dark if about what the outcome was on their suggestions. I suggested a feature on Discord, and I didn't get any conclusive replies so, to make sure that my suggestion was heard I sent a PM. The reply was "we're currently discussing this right now in our discord mod chat". I mean, it's nice to know that the staff is listening to the userbase, but it would've been nicer to know that without having to ask if they are listening. Another example is italicized usernames, it was a suggestion from long ago but nobody ever heard that it was rejected until it was brought up again, and again. How is a user supposed to know if staff rejected a feature or if they just forgot about it?

This could be a good question to have on the survey, about "how transparent should moderation be on the website". I personally prefer transparent moderation for most things because it bridges the userbase and staff together, but this isn't to say that opaque moderation has its own merit as well, and that sometimes this has to be decided on a case-by-case basis.

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SMWCentral, compared to other websites similar to it, houses both a resource and a community. I'm not sure if this is a good or a bad thing and I'll tell you why. I've noticed online that there's really two types of communities:
- Ones where the community is held together by working towards a common goal: The Cutting Room Floor (documenting unused things in games), the Ocarina of Time Randomizer (self-explanatory), BoodaMedz's GameSharks (challenge playthroughs of retro games). There is usually little space for off-topic discussion and little reason to stay should your interests shift.
- Ones where the community is held together because the people in it share similar interests, beliefs, ways of thinking, etc. Basically it's like a small circle of friends where each person gets to know each other or at the very least tolerate one another.

When you have groups of people with vastly different behaviours, well, you get the kind of instability that reigned during 2016/17 and the minor split that's currently going on between the current userbase and the "side" userbase (I don't mean to be condescending, I just don't know what other name to use). I hate to bring up past topics like the Kieran thread or the post-leniency thing, but this isn't something that was "solved and left in the past". Unfortunately, this is still a cause of concern to important contributors to the resources of this site. I just feel like maybe there's no global solution to this and that this might always cause one or another group to feel alienated, but I know only too many users which aren't happy with how things have turned out to be and that, even if I'm fine with how things are right now, it still wouldn't be fair to invalidate their concerns. Just because the original thread was a piece of gargabe doesn't mean that what it was trying to convey is also meaningless.

Overall, I feel like SMWC leans more towards the second type of community than it should, and maybe a question on the survey saying "how much more focus should the hacking aspect of the site have over the general aspect of the site?". Of note is that the Discord currently has seven off-topic channels, with only four of them dedicated to SMW Hacking (and only very specific topics!). It's clear that more emphasis is being put on the general channels than actual SMW hacking, and that actual discussion regarding the ROM hacks themselves are drowned out by all the other stuff posted on the general channels.

-Infinity
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*After seeing how the discussion in this thread quickly subverts to drama about specific users, I have redacted this part of the post because it brings up a name that most people here aren't very friendly towards, and not without reason. Basically I say that SMWCentral could ask for the opinion of administrators of other similar communities, and I mention one in particular. That's all I'll say for now.

Some of the things that I'd like to add is that, Telinc1 actually immediatelly informed me right after I sent the feedback about point #0 and that an update to the site was being worked on again after being stagnant for a while.

Another point I'd like to make is that, if SMWCentral wants to maintain its community aspect, then there's still an issue of "what kind of community does it want to maintain", which has been a topic in the past like twice now (or probably more times, I've only been here since 2015).
0 - I would be more inclined to agree with you, RanAS, if you were willing to elaborate on that a little more. This is relatively the same site layout that's been used since the site began so I wouldn't be too upset with a redesign as long as it wasn't too crazy.

2 - I'm not so sure about this. Yeah there is instability within the community due to the fact that there appear to be different factions, but that can't be helped in a forum setting where generalized discussion is welcomed. And discouraging or making a poll regarding whether smwcentral should put more focus on hacking and less on discussion I worry could cause yet more toxicity amongst those who simply enjoy conversation.
Hello,

I was just wondering,

Would you all consider it to be me joining the dark side if I was to begin working on a kaizo hack after being one of those individuals that discussed the fact that there are too many kaizos being submitted nowadays? #smrpg{gasp}
What?

#smw{o_O?}
That is a less convoluted way of putting it yes, haha.

I definitely don't want to come off as a hypocrite after putting time and effort into the discussion over whether there were way too many kaizos being submitted and whether there should be a special place for them. But I wasn't trashing kaizo hacks or people who make them. So...?
Originally posted by LethalBrownies
I definitely don't want to come off as a hypocrite after putting time and effort into the discussion over whether there were way too many kaizos being submitted and whether there should be a special place for them. But I wasn't trashing kaizo hacks or people who make them. So...?


Literally do what you want. If you weren't trashing kaizo then you're not a hypocrite at all, and even if you were trashing kaizo and you want to make a kaizo hack literally no one is gonna care about you being a hypocrite. Just make whatever you want and don't overthink how people will react, this is just a silly romhacking website.
Pretty much what Decoy said. Just do what you want to.
Me thinking there might have been "too many SMW hacks in general" didn't stop me from starting another hack.

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Make what you want. Just remember that we do have a system in place to curate hacks the community likes more than the rest because they stand out from the general crowd of hacks. I'm surprised its been dead for a while tho, it is disappointing.


And I would like to see more contests that are smaller or more unique in focus. Gotta break the mold from the usual VLDC/CLDC. Id also like to see new events like Isometric collaborations like this one on MFGG or this if because they are fun to do and would spice up some things.

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On Pixel Art Requests: I generally do not accept work unless I either have the time, if I see your project worth my time to contribute towards, and that is usually me doing the approaching to you on that.
-I also do not accept speculative work as I do have various art I made on-hand with me.
-I am more receptive to equivalent exchange of resources in which case, you can DM me wherever I have an active presence on for the details.
-Other times I'm availible for your project is C3 request threads I may run.




Originally posted by StrikeForcer

I don't know why, a lot of great hacks that deserve to be featured are still coming out. I have a good candidate for this and... it's kaizo!
I have a Discord server as well!

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Basically, I believe in peace and bashing two bricks together.
Originally posted by Emerald Shell
I don't know why, a lot of great hacks that deserve to be featured are still coming out. I have a good candidate for this and... it's kaizo!

Perhaps that could be a community goal for 2019... Reviving the featured hacks thread! Especially since there is a badge that can be awarded for people who make one. Featured hacks were a huge part of this site before the remoderation a few years ago but since then it's gone into disrepair and neglect. This should be changed!
RanAS' point 2 is pretty much something I could have said, but hasn't the words to do it, thanks.

Definitely SMWC enters in the second type of community, when it clearly shouldn't, facts like the owner and part of the userbase complaining about the PC Culture the staff is develpoing on the site is probably the best fact to prove it. We are a romhacking community, and if topics like that are a recurrent problem in a romhacking community, the focus is definitely not right. This even applies for both sides of the coin, the ones who are in favor and the ones who are against. I'm aware several users has left the site because of this topic, regardless the side they're in (obviously they're more in the against side), and this even includes ex-staff members. The sadest part of all is that several of them are still hacking SMW, but they don't visit the site anymore because they feel uncomfortable here.

In short words, my point is: the PC Culture could be helping us to be a "inclusive" community (though I completely disagree with this, but I can understand people who says it does), but it's definitely not helping to SMW Hacking being pushed straight, which is the main purpose of this site.

Originally posted by Veck
making stereotypical jokes about race (even if the latter is also unwelcome here)

I mean, I've read "jokes" of the caliber of "white people needs to be shot" or "the world would be better without white people", which are clearly more than just "stereotypical jokes", so I'm not sure if they are "unwelcome" at all, even more more considering that doing the same types of jokes with black people (not saying any slur obviously) are still not accepted, even being indirectly (this has happened before).

Originally posted by Veck
white people are much less marginalized in Western Countries for the most part. In recent history, there really haven't been many situations there where white people have been treated as if they were worth less than others.

This is a very poor argument in my opinion. It's basically "let's pay the racists with the same coin", so it's still racism.
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The site could always just ban talking about politics if it is such a chore and drain on all sides involved since I highly doubt anyone can discuss them peacefully from experience and that it has p much cannibalize the community aspect of this place. Maybe banning it can help return the focus more towards SMW Hacking and other games this site currently has with their sections.

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On Pixel Art Requests: I generally do not accept work unless I either have the time, if I see your project worth my time to contribute towards, and that is usually me doing the approaching to you on that.
-I also do not accept speculative work as I do have various art I made on-hand with me.
-I am more receptive to equivalent exchange of resources in which case, you can DM me wherever I have an active presence on for the details.
-Other times I'm availible for your project is C3 request threads I may run.




Originally posted by Shiny Ninetales
RanAS' point 2 is pretty much something I could have said, but hasn't the words to do it, thanks.

Definitely SMWC enters in the second type of community, when it clearly shouldn't, facts like the owner and part of the userbase complaining about the PC Culture the staff is develpoing on the site is probably the best fact to prove it. We are a romhacking community, and if topics like that are a recurrent problem in a romhacking community, the focus is definitely not right. This even applies for both sides of the coin, the ones who are in favor and the ones who are against. I'm aware several users has left the site because of this topic, regardless the side they're in (obviously they're more in the against side), and this even includes ex-staff members. The sadest part of all is that several of them are still hacking SMW, but they don't visit the site anymore because they feel uncomfortable here.

In short words, my point is: the PC Culture could be helping us to be a "inclusive" community (though I completely disagree with this, but I can understand people who says it does), but it's definitely not helping to SMW Hacking being pushed straight, which is the main purpose of this site.

The thing is though, an inclusive community and a community focused on advancing SMW hacking are not mutually exclusive things. It's just that some of the people who have been leading the biggest charges in advancing SMW are also on the side of "PC Culture" being not good for the site overall. That's why we're at the point we are now. It's also hard to gauge how many people are on each side, since personally I think you'll hear more from the dissatisfied people than you will the happy people whenever we have discussions like this. That's why we're hoping to get the userbase survey out there soon so people can make their voices heard.

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Originally posted by StrikeForcer
The site could always just ban talking about politics if it is such a chore and drain on all sides involved since I highly doubt anyone can discuss them peacefully from experience and that it has p much cannibalize the community aspect of this place. Maybe banning it can help return the focus more towards SMW Hacking and other games this site currently has with their sections.

For the most part, politics don't end up outside Reality Corner and the Politics thread in General Discussion. Or at least, that's where we envisioned they should stay. I don't think we should 100% ban political discussions across the site, but I do think they should remain in their designated locations.
Originally posted by StrikeForcer
The site could always just ban talking about politics if it is such a chore and drain on all sides involved since I highly doubt anyone can discuss them peacefully from experience and that it has p much cannibalize the community aspect of this place. Maybe banning it can help return the focus more towards SMW Hacking and other games this site currently has with their sections.

I don't think that will work, since that's how it's gonna be always, not just on SMW Central. Most (if not any) political discussions will always have at least one side that resorts to aggressiveness (which a mod could always take care of, should they deem it necessary). And if anything, as FPzero said, they should stay where they are.

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the problem with internet debates is that very, very few people are willing to restructure their ideology based on some words on a screen, which is a necessary mindset (for both sides) in order to have a constructive and meaningful debate.

being willing to adjust my worldview during a debate is something i'm really bad at myself, even though i know it's what's made politics so toxic, draining and pointless. that said, barring people from politics entirely because of it is highly questionable at best, especially as what constitutes "politics" and what doesn't is nearly indistinguishable as everything becomes increasingly subjective.
"Banning politics" is impossible anyway, because any topic set closer to reality will, while not inherently political, be made a political issue by people.
Just as a very easy example, there is absolutely nothing LGBT+ people existing or what they do, and yet that topic's one of the biggest "political" shitshows at all times, even though what the "debate" is about isn't based in politics.

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