i havent checked but there should be some sort of appeal process "perma"banned folk can enter after a certain period of time (6 months or so). what the process would consist of ill leave it up to yall, i just think everyone deserves some sort of second chance. assuming their appeal goes through, maybe some sort of limitations are placed on their account upon reentry?
I think the period of time should depend on the offense in question. Like if you get banned for shitposting too much then six months seems reasonable, but if it's something like constant shitty behavior towards other users (flaming, insults, whatnot) or hateful behavior it should be longer. And in cases like he who shall not be named, there should never be the opportunity to appeal.
Originally posted by Ladida
maybe some sort of limitations are placed on their account upon reentry?
When I was unbanned the second time I was put on a trial period where if I fucked up once I would be brown banned immediately. I made it through the trial period without any fuck ups because I proved I had bettered myself. I think the same kind of trial period should be applied to other unbanned users to see if they're capable of coming back into the community positively.
You'd have to do some serious screwups in order to get banned in the first place, so similarly, you have to work just as hard to get yourself unbanned in the first place. In that sense, I agree with what was posted by Samuel above. It has to depend on the severity of the ban, because otherwise, we could allow people that, for all we know, probably never learned their lesson in the first place back into the community when they were kicked out for a reason.
A 6 month grace period sounds like a decent chunk of time, though again it has to depend on severity, so this should be the base instead of the go-to. For people, like Roto-disco, for example, it may take more than 6 months to get back on track, but I don't think they should be flat out denied an appeal like, for example, leod.
Similarly, a 6 month trial period for the banned person who had a successful appeal does seem right. They have to work their way back to earn anyone's respect, so fittingly they should have to wait a while before they're off the hook. Maybe could be longer as well, depending on the severity of their actions too.
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I do appreciate the fact that you are listening to user suggestions on the matter. The fact that staff such as yourself shouldn't be treating permas like its the same thing helps open up the possibility for certain users who would be able to have another shot at becoming a better member, as with the case of one of users who posted here in this thread.
However, as much as I do like the option of giving people chances, there has to be a balancing act in play here because permabans should be treated as the ultimate punishment one can receive in a community since it is basically like ex-communication from a church community for transgressing against them, and using the appeal process can be devaluing the point and power of a permaban that exists in the first place when steps should have been taken in place to correct a user's behavior before a permaban. That exists at the warn then tempban level.
I do think part of the solution is also considering that there could be underlying issues with each individual problem users that sometimes do need a longer time to address considering their situations, which again, also could be done before the permaban level. Concessions could be made on understanding their problems on why they behave the way they do tho again, it is a balancing act. They need to consider the standards expected in place for individual conduct on SMWC or anywhere if they hope to remain members.
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Appeals don't necessarily devalue the permaban because we still discuss them, and often appeals are turned down for a variety of reasons. Successfully appealing a permaban is difficult and depends on the severity of the offenses leading to the ban, as well as time passed since the ban and quality of the appeal, i.e. taking responsibility for your actions and explaining how you've changed and why you should be let back. And like idol said, each appeal is handled unique from one another because each permaban has a unique set of circumstances surrounding it.